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		<title>By: KimP</title>
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		<dc:creator>KimP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 02:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mean to write www.allaboutthejourney.org, sorry about that :-)&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh, and Arie, thank you for your article.  I don&#039;t agree with every little aspect of it, but I do agree with the main points, and don&#039;t believe in arguing small theological points in these last days.  Been there, done that enough, and I feel like I should be spending my time on a much more important task, reading the Word of God itself, meditating day and night, so that the Holy Spirit will speak directly to me.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean to write <a href="http://www.allaboutthejourney.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.allaboutthejourney.org</a>, sorry about that <img src='http://socyberty.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Oh, and Arie, thank you for your article.  I don&#8217;t agree with every little aspect of it, but I do agree with the main points, and don&#8217;t believe in arguing small theological points in these last days.  Been there, done that enough, and I feel like I should be spending my time on a much more important task, reading the Word of God itself, meditating day and night, so that the Holy Spirit will speak directly to me.</p>
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		<title>By: KimP</title>
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		<dc:creator>KimP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 02:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas, I challenge you to read www.allboutthejourney.org, written by a man that thought much like you, and set out to prove the Bible wrong.  It may be an interesting read for you.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas, I challenge you to read <a href="http://www.allboutthejourney.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.allboutthejourney.org</a>, written by a man that thought much like you, and set out to prove the Bible wrong.  It may be an interesting read for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, I&#039;d like to say http://www.abarim-publications.com/ is one of the most excellent websites I&#039;ve ever visited. No, I do not have any affiliation with the site or any of the authors, I just feel it can do alot of explaining. I got here originally through that site. Just thought I&#039;d leave the link for anyone, the ideas that site puts forward are astounding, and are worth going through, especially the introduction to quantum mechanics, chaos theory and biblical scripture. Agree with it, disagree with it, at your leisure, but understand the significance of it none the less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, I&#8217;d like to say <a href="http://www.abarim-publications.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.abarim-publications.com/</a> is one of the most excellent websites I&#8217;ve ever visited. No, I do not have any affiliation with the site or any of the authors, I just feel it can do alot of explaining. I got here originally through that site. Just thought I&#8217;d leave the link for anyone, the ideas that site puts forward are astounding, and are worth going through, especially the introduction to quantum mechanics, chaos theory and biblical scripture. Agree with it, disagree with it, at your leisure, but understand the significance of it none the less.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, it seems that this whole argument is between people who hold the Bible to its word, its every word, and believe there&#039;s no room for interpretation, and people like Arie, who understand that universal teaching must sometimes be rendered into riddle and left ambiguous. &lt;br /&gt;
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You&#039;re downright foolish if you believe that the anti-christ will literally me marked by 666, like a tattoo on the hand or forehead. And also, speaking of taking things too literally, alot of you people against what Arie said seem to believe God is a person, albeit a mighty, all powerful person, but an actual person none the less. &lt;br /&gt;
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Science has determined that people will see things they best understand and are familiar with, like a face in the clouds as Arie put it. So, when the ancient peoples were getting all their revelations and prophecies, those truths were rendered into human-like form, and then people (who again, took things too literally) began to fear God and Satan as they would fear an earthbound king, as a somebody. &lt;br /&gt;
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God cannot be seen more than metaphorically, however. God is simply all the power and mystery that is the universe, and was perceived as something familiar, something that equates God to man-kind in terms of appearance and attitude. God, in terms of what God might actually be, would never punish anybody for sins that aren&#039;t really sins, but simply part of human nature. Punishment itself is something we lowly humans resort to in order to feel satisfied and just, and it is not a course of action God would take. You aren&#039;t going to hell, a world based on punishment, because the universe and God does not punish as man does. No sex before marriage? Marriage is a man-made institution, and sex is natural. Most sins follow that format, something conceived by man as a means of suppressing his human nature, in a futile attempt to get closer to God. The only way one can get closer to God is to partake in ALL that life has to offer, as God can be seen in everything.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
As far as demonic possession is concerned, I must state again that humans see the familiar when confronted with something unknown. An unknown to everyone is &#039;&#039;What exactly are emotions?&#039;&#039; Ancient man was confronted with the thought, and thus conceived demons and angels to explain away the two sided nature of man. To be under demonic possession would seem to me that that person is possessed by their negative emotions and attitudes, not by a corporeal sentient being (a little horned demon, rawr!) &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Basically, what I&#039;m trying to say is that at the end of the day, the Bible was written by man. Unknown forces influenced the content of the Bible, and man, flawed imperfect man, had to be able to familiarize with its Word. Man needed something understandable and comforting, and so the ancient Biblical authors used metaphor and ambiguity all over the place. Then, people just like you who took it way too literally, started Catholicism and the church of its name. Since these people thought they knew the truth, the one and only truth, about the universe, they were wrong right from the start. God, mankind, the universe, none of it can be accurately explained by any creation of man, whether a religious institution or a book. Part of the essence of the universe is mystery, ambiguity, &#039;&#039;uncertainty&#039;&#039;. Trying to explain it is like trying to build a tower to reach heaven, it is impossible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, it seems that this whole argument is between people who hold the Bible to its word, its every word, and believe there&#8217;s no room for interpretation, and people like Arie, who understand that universal teaching must sometimes be rendered into riddle and left ambiguous. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re downright foolish if you believe that the anti-christ will literally me marked by 666, like a tattoo on the hand or forehead. And also, speaking of taking things too literally, alot of you people against what Arie said seem to believe God is a person, albeit a mighty, all powerful person, but an actual person none the less. </p>
<p>Science has determined that people will see things they best understand and are familiar with, like a face in the clouds as Arie put it. So, when the ancient peoples were getting all their revelations and prophecies, those truths were rendered into human-like form, and then people (who again, took things too literally) began to fear God and Satan as they would fear an earthbound king, as a somebody. </p>
<p>God cannot be seen more than metaphorically, however. God is simply all the power and mystery that is the universe, and was perceived as something familiar, something that equates God to man-kind in terms of appearance and attitude. God, in terms of what God might actually be, would never punish anybody for sins that aren&#8217;t really sins, but simply part of human nature. Punishment itself is something we lowly humans resort to in order to feel satisfied and just, and it is not a course of action God would take. You aren&#8217;t going to hell, a world based on punishment, because the universe and God does not punish as man does. No sex before marriage? Marriage is a man-made institution, and sex is natural. Most sins follow that format, something conceived by man as a means of suppressing his human nature, in a futile attempt to get closer to God. The only way one can get closer to God is to partake in ALL that life has to offer, as God can be seen in everything.</p>
<p>As far as demonic possession is concerned, I must state again that humans see the familiar when confronted with something unknown. An unknown to everyone is &#8221;What exactly are emotions?&#8221; Ancient man was confronted with the thought, and thus conceived demons and angels to explain away the two sided nature of man. To be under demonic possession would seem to me that that person is possessed by their negative emotions and attitudes, not by a corporeal sentient being (a little horned demon, rawr!) </p>
<p>Basically, what I&#8217;m trying to say is that at the end of the day, the Bible was written by man. Unknown forces influenced the content of the Bible, and man, flawed imperfect man, had to be able to familiarize with its Word. Man needed something understandable and comforting, and so the ancient Biblical authors used metaphor and ambiguity all over the place. Then, people just like you who took it way too literally, started Catholicism and the church of its name. Since these people thought they knew the truth, the one and only truth, about the universe, they were wrong right from the start. God, mankind, the universe, none of it can be accurately explained by any creation of man, whether a religious institution or a book. Part of the essence of the universe is mystery, ambiguity, &#8221;uncertainty&#8221;. Trying to explain it is like trying to build a tower to reach heaven, it is impossible.</p>
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		<title>By: Clay Hurtubise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clay Hurtubise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 03:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brave man to bring up religion. Politics next?&lt;br /&gt;
666 is a number, simple as that. Modern man can make it fit just about anything, all a matter of interpretation.&lt;br /&gt;
The new number to worry about is 2012!&lt;br /&gt;
Thanks,&lt;br /&gt;
Clay&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brave man to bring up religion. Politics next?<br />
666 is a number, simple as that. Modern man can make it fit just about anything, all a matter of interpretation.<br />
The new number to worry about is 2012!<br />
Thanks,<br />
Clay</p>
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		<title>By: Catelin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catelin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Arie&lt;br /&gt;
Whew, this is an exhaustive descertation on something that should not be tampered with.  &lt;br /&gt;
Personally, I find some of your logic to be incorrect scripturally speaking.&lt;br /&gt;
There have been people who have been possessed of the devil.  It happened in Jesus day and it still is occurring today.  Satan is still at large.  And all of his helpers (demons).&lt;br /&gt;
The number 666 is the number associated with the devil.  To try to change what God has written is dangerous.  One&#039;s interpretation can greatly be lead astray by satan. The mind is his battlefield.  Even devout Christians have to be on guard constantly.&lt;br /&gt;
Basically the Book of Revelation is a prophetic book.  Prophesy is often hard to understand.&lt;br /&gt;
I nearly buckled with fear, when you stated no one should worry about what is prophesied in The Book of Revelation.  Those who carry the mark of the devil, 666 on hand or forehead will spend eternity in Hell with the devil.  Only those who have accepted Christ as their personal Savior will be saved...it is those who do not have to worry about this final prophesy.  Incidentally believing in Jesus isn&#039;t enough, because it doesn&#039;t require an action, accepting Jesus is the action.  Think of it like a present or gift.  If you went and spend all the money you had on a gift for someone you thought the world of, and then this person did not accept your gift, how would you feel?  This is what God did when He sent His Son to die on the cross.   And until we accept this gift of Salvation, we really don&#039;t possess it.  The next step is to follow HIM.  The Bible tells us how, when, where, for getting this done.  Does this make us perfect?...NO.  Perfection won&#039;t come until we are in Glory with HIM.  What righteousness we possess after acception HIM is His righteousness...this is a gift, like faith, grace, mercy, love.&lt;br /&gt;
Arie, I have to read more of your writings.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Arie<br />
Whew, this is an exhaustive descertation on something that should not be tampered with.  <br />
Personally, I find some of your logic to be incorrect scripturally speaking.<br />
There have been people who have been possessed of the devil.  It happened in Jesus day and it still is occurring today.  Satan is still at large.  And all of his helpers (demons).<br />
The number 666 is the number associated with the devil.  To try to change what God has written is dangerous.  One&#8217;s interpretation can greatly be lead astray by satan. The mind is his battlefield.  Even devout Christians have to be on guard constantly.<br />
Basically the Book of Revelation is a prophetic book.  Prophesy is often hard to understand.<br />
I nearly buckled with fear, when you stated no one should worry about what is prophesied in The Book of Revelation.  Those who carry the mark of the devil, 666 on hand or forehead will spend eternity in Hell with the devil.  Only those who have accepted Christ as their personal Savior will be saved&#8230;it is those who do not have to worry about this final prophesy.  Incidentally believing in Jesus isn&#8217;t enough, because it doesn&#8217;t require an action, accepting Jesus is the action.  Think of it like a present or gift.  If you went and spend all the money you had on a gift for someone you thought the world of, and then this person did not accept your gift, how would you feel?  This is what God did when He sent His Son to die on the cross.   And until we accept this gift of Salvation, we really don&#8217;t possess it.  The next step is to follow HIM.  The Bible tells us how, when, where, for getting this done.  Does this make us perfect?&#8230;NO.  Perfection won&#8217;t come until we are in Glory with HIM.  What righteousness we possess after acception HIM is His righteousness&#8230;this is a gift, like faith, grace, mercy, love.<br />
Arie, I have to read more of your writings.</p>
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		<title>By: R J Evans</title>
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		<dc:creator>R J Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very interested read, thanks, Arie.  The Book of Revelations remains a mystery to many and I enjoyed reading your article and the ensuing debate.  Personally, whoever wrote it must, IMHO, have been on some sort of pre-acid age acid trip!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very interested read, thanks, Arie.  The Book of Revelations remains a mystery to many and I enjoyed reading your article and the ensuing debate.  Personally, whoever wrote it must, IMHO, have been on some sort of pre-acid age acid trip!</p>
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		<title>By: Damian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does this mean I should be worried about the marks on my head?</description>
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		<title>By: pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK , I found it this time and I bookmarked it, but I&#039;ve researched stuff Elliot Miller has written before.  It&#039;s time-consuming to examine his stuff, and I usually do not see his point of view based on my Biblical studies.  He has trashed a lot of good people and sound ministries with his interpretations and critical spirit.  I used to run a church library so have perused the Christian Research Journal articles there, comparatively with research books right on the shelves.  No computer then, which makes critical thinking so much easier now,   Arie, you seem like a nice guy seeking truth.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK , I found it this time and I bookmarked it, but I&#8217;ve researched stuff Elliot Miller has written before.  It&#8217;s time-consuming to examine his stuff, and I usually do not see his point of view based on my Biblical studies.  He has trashed a lot of good people and sound ministries with his interpretations and critical spirit.  I used to run a church library so have perused the Christian Research Journal articles there, comparatively with research books right on the shelves.  No computer then, which makes critical thinking so much easier now,   Arie, you seem like a nice guy seeking truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Arie Uittenbogaard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arie Uittenbogaard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scholars better than you also wrote the study I pointed you at. Please try again.</description>
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