Intolerant People Spouting God’s World Drive GLBT People Away From God

Jupiter King referenced New Testament scripture from the Word of God(Romans chapter one) which clearly says Homosexuality is wrong.Yet I noticed Lara that you appear to have deliberately omitted that reference and chose only to point out the Old Testament verse.

here’s the New Testament verses

Romans 1:24-32

1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Also the Bible warns in 1 Timothy chapter 4 of those in Latter times who will “depart from the faith having their consciences seared with a hot iron”

Ironically,I noticed in the commentary of Jupiter’s article you told him to “Stop the appeal to the Bible and Human Conscience” Do you fear that if they listen they will see the error of their ways and repent?

Why do you Hate those that speak the truth so much? Is your heart that darkened?
I hope one day for your sake you will see the Truth,

God bless

Wow, 2 people with 3 comments who readily prove my point. Why are you reading this section anyway? It’s not because you’re here to harvest lost souls, I think you need to justify to yourselves that you may not be gay…

Sadly, religion has done this to you. It’s ashamed that you’re afraid of what you might be.

Lara, we have nothing to justify we have a right to minister to your readers as much as you have (and exercise) the right to disagree.You have proven our point yourself by your coldness toward us even reading your page, We point out what you rather not hear and that is why you are angry.

May God’s truth and reason prevail

that you are cold and angry at anyone of faith?

I have no arguments. I have no proud proclamations of what is right and what is wrong.
I simply want to thank you, Lara.

With this article you have shown courage, compassion, and respect; what it truly means to be a person of faith. Indeed, faith in all its complexities exists simply that we may learn to be better human beings, and that we may find in our lives a measure of purpose and happiness.

And to the others:

The fundamental tenet of Christianity is that Jesus Christ is the son of God. And Jesus, beyond any divine connection was, first and foremost, a kind and humble man– a prophet of compassion, and friend to “sinners” and misfits.

The bible is a holy book, but still a book: It was written by men, fallible as they are beautiful, and by nature inclined to integrate their own opinions and ideas into their faith. And in their time and culture, same-sex love was believed as much an abomination as women being considered equal beings to men.

Loving as you were made to love is never sinful.

I will reiterate the 1st part of Romans 1, maybe it was unclear the 1st time or maybe some misunderstood

1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to UNCLEANNESS through the LUSTS of their OWN HEARTS, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
1:25 Who changed the TRUTH of God into a LIE, and worshipped and served the CREATURE more than the CREATOR, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is AGAINST NATURE:
1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

mostly I feel the need to stress verse 27

1:27 And likewise also the men, LEAVING THE NATURAL use of the woman, burned in their LUST one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their ERROR which was meet.

clearly that means homosexuality is UNNATURAL, unnatural meaning against nature,wrong,sin etc.

All of those who wish to justify homosexuality, it is not possible to justify it, It is not Love, it is LUST…and despite alot of societies confusion, there is a difference between love and lust. We were created for the Glory of God,not for our own self indulgence.

Those that live in deliberate rebellion will not inherit the kingdom of God. Genuine Repentance and Acceptance of Jesus Christ is the ONLY way that one can be forgiven

Lara, I’m with you all the way on this. All Christians don’t believe that being gay is a sin. We know that people are born gay and that it’s not a choice. I don’t condemn someone who is born blind, neither will I condemn a person who is born gay. I can also asure you that Jesus Christ does not condemn them either.

Nobody is born homosexual, people have invented that as an excuse to justify their refusal to obey God, in the end though God’s law remains as it has been since it was 1st given,

to those who think people are “born gay” I beg to differ, as does 1.Creation itself,2. the Conscience and 3.the Word of God, so I’d say those that think people are “born gay” are outnumbered and proven wrong by three different sources higher than themselves, so quit trying to justify sexual immorality, it can’t be justified.

Wasn’t trying to be rude, but the saying is true and Nobody has ever or can dispute that, it is fact.

Homosexuality=Sodomy, remember what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah?
Homosexuality is sin, always has been,always will be,God is Love Yes, but as has been said He is not mocked,We will all stand before Him, what will you say then? You won’t be able to say “Well in my opinion homosexuality is ok” because your conscience, heart and the Laws of God will be testifying that Homosexuality is wrong, we are not going to be judged by what WE think is right and wrong, we will be judged by what God says is right and wrong and God is unchanging, Christ came to seek and save, all he asks is our acceptance and Love, if we Love God we will WANT to obey God.

The Unpardonable Sin is the Worst sin Possible,because the person that commits it has chosen to remain permanently in their own darkness instead of accepting Christ, the root cause of the Unpardonable Sin is unbelief in spite of knowledge, the Unpardonable Sin is a deliberate willful act

therefore nobody who still has a conscience and is willing or wanting to repent has committed the heinous unpardonable sin, if they did they would not even be interested in salvation,

God works best in Tender hearts

John:

As you well know, the “abomination” argument is almost always given to people with little or no knowledge of the Bible; when you therefore present homosexuality as an abomination to God, you are in essence presenting it as an especially onerous offense to God. Deliberately presenting it without any context like that makes it a rather low-class lie of omission. You are picking on the ignorant…

I often wonder why so many like you place such ENORMOUS emphasis upon the Old Testament Biblical law on homosexuality? If your true object was an effort to enforce the Law of God, must you not then be FORCED by your teaching to be out there killing people for all the many sins for which you are called upon to put the sinner to death? Absurd? Surely. Just as is the modern abomination argument. Please – all knowledgeable people know that it is just homophobia – and after many years of dealing with this (and I am a heterosexual) I am beginning to think that many suffer from an irrational fear of homosexuality – caused by a fear that they may be latent homosexuals.

Quickly: As Paul teaches us: As Christians we are NOT bound by the Law. It is a complex subject – but study your Bible…

(While the Old Testament is useful, I do think that the fact that it is printed in the same book as the New Testament causes problems.)

You may recall Paul teaching that he could not sin against the “Law” because he had died to it and was now living in Christ. However, he reminds us that we (if our understanding is “solid food”) must not exercise our freedom in Christ in front of a neophyte who has only been fed “milk” because we might lead him astray.

And always bear in mind the following:

Paul: Romans 2: 14-16:

“When Gentiles who do not have the law keep it as by instinct, these men although without the law serve as a law for themselves. They show that the demands of the law are written in their hearts. Their conscience bears witness together with that law, and their thoughts will accuse or defend them on the day when, in accordance with the gospel I preach, God will pass judgment…”

I believe that homosexuality is wrong. I refuse to however, go around telling them they are going to hell; they are often confused enough, and using the Bible to instill fear in them is a sin! You serve to merely drive them AWAY from religion. (Remember, the Bible teaches that the worst sinners of all are those who mis-teach).

If you wish however to teach “milk,” and you are a Christian, you are obliged to teach Christianity: You John are a sinner, as am I – as is the homosexual – and all of us will be judged in the end, on the content of our hearts.

Do not just read your Bible – study it – try to understand it.

Sorry to be so long, but this is a very complex subject…

It was not my or Jupiter’s intent to push anyone away from God or to mis-teach or misrepresent anything, you’d know that if you fully took in the article you’d note that at no point did he say Homosexuality is unforgivable, only that it is wrong, as our conscience testifies.

The Laws of God are written on the hearts as you yourself pointed out in your reference to Romans

“They show that the demands of the law are written in their hearts. Their conscience bears witness together with that law, and their thoughts will accuse or defend them on the day when, in accordance with the gospel I preach, God will pass judgment”

As far as Paul saying we are not bound by the Law that did not mean we should disregard it, only that Christ fulfilled it and therefore where before we would have been put to death, Christ died for us and freed us(those that believe) from condemnation,

that is the freedom that we have in Christ, that we are no longer condemned because Christ took our place, however that was not a license to sin.

So, when someone KNOWINGLY and WILLINGLY ignores the Laws written in their hearts that is disobedience to God, and Hebrews 6:4 notes the consequence for such willful sin.

The Unpardonable Sin is Blasphemy Against the Holy Ghost, if it were impossible for people to have committed yet, why did Jesus warn the pharisees (even in his day) that it was unpardonable?

anyone who repents can and will receive mercy, I am not disputing or discounting that at all , I am simply saying without repentance there can be no forgiveness, While this particular discussion is about homosexuality, repentance is necessary for the forgiveness of ANY sin, I do not think Jupiter wrote the article to judge, only to call attention to the necessity of repentance, He may have come across harsh but sometimes chastisement and correction is that way, would you rather people be corrected and chastised and realize the need for salvation or that they perish in their sin because they continue to think it is ok?

Well guys, perhaps someday you will understand what I was trying to get at…

In the meanwhile, since we are discussing Lara’s article, you just continue to prove her point, “The GLBT community is often pushed away from a religious and spiritual life by bigots who can only appeal to a two thousand year old book.”

If Lara speaks the truth, those people who push them away are sinning as much as they…granting you for a moment, your position on sin. In fact, given that, on Judgment Day, I would rather be Lara, standing before the throne, than one who has driven others away from God! As you know, that REALLY, and I mean really, upsets Him…

You may want to think about that, and also, consider what Jesus may have been thinking while he was ’scribbling in the sand’ on that long ago day – kinda sad, 2000 years, and people still don’t get it…

I know, I know, you’re going to say that He also said, “Sin no more,” but we KNOW that if you and I hold ourselves to that standard, salvation is impossible…

As a final word, I would again advise you guys to think about the ’solid food’ versus the ‘milk’ understanding of the teachings of the Bible; believe me, it is two entirely different things!

Good luck to all…

As far as our appeal to the Bible, It is the Word of God and still as Life changing now as it was when it was 1st given, God is the Same Yesterday,Today and Forever,and our conscience testifies to the Laws of God written on our hearts

It is not our place to say,only God knows their hearts.
we are called to minister not to judge
As I said all we were trying to do is minister, if our comments came across harsh, it was out of necessity of urgency, what I mean by that is there are thousands worldwide dying daily, we would rather see them have Eternal life because they believed and trust Christ than to see them perish in unbelief, if we truly Love God we will not go about in deliberate premeditated and habitual sin. As for your last comment about

“You may consider it a given in this question that the person has not “repented”; as it were.”

To that they will answer to God, not to us.

I agree w/John, we are called to minister and what people do with it afterward is something they will give account of, if they accept it great, if they reject it they will answer for that as well

Either way We will all give an account to God,

Matt:

What you said kinda scares me…the teachers (minister) will, according to the Bible, be held to a HIGHER standard. Because it matters very much what one teaches…

Take care, guys… Bye.

Lara,
I read this section because I used to be gay. Not only was I gay, but I was a Wiccan. I really love people and I feel in my heart that maybe you have been hurt. Sadly there are some Christians who do judge others, but I do not think that that is the intention of anyone here. My long time friend is gay, unfortunately he is gay living with a terrible disease and he knows my heart and how much I love him and others. Because I used to be gay, I have a lot of gay friends that turn to me for advice. Some of them want help because at the end of the day, they feel something is wrong. I had one guy renounce his lifestyle almost four years ago and he is now happily married with children knowing that he is living clean. No one hates you or dislikes you for being gay, it’s just that being gay is a sin, just like any other sin, there is nothing in the world that will separate you from God’s everlasting love… that being said God is our loving father in Heaven but He is also our Judge. If any one of us walk into a courtroom and bring our case before a righteous judge, he has to judge us according if we deliberately broke the law. There is ALWAYS a choice! People always say a “loving God will never condemn us” Well this is true, that is why God showed us through his Holy Inspired Word how He wants us to live. Yes, Jesus died for our sins, but we cannot just repent and keep living the same way. If we fail to accept His gift and live by our own standards, we basically condemn ourselves. Please just keep an open mind when you write to others because I think some people really do want to help. You say that you cannot help who you are, so that goes both ways. The people here have that burning desire in their soul called the Holy Spirit to help others find their way. You cannot take that from them, it is God given. As a former lesbian who was deeply in love for another woman until the hand of God moved in my life, I can understand both sides and just felt compelled to say something. Thank you all for your time.

btw, I apologize for sounding harsh, but immorality is what it is. I say the idea that someone is ‘genetically gay’ is ridiculous because we all know nobody is born gay, it is a choice through and through, and a bad one. when I say ‘foolish’ please do not take it wrong, a fool simply is someone who is making choices detrimental to themselves and those around them.

To all, take care

To Lara, if you love people, you will want them to Live as their Father in Heaven intended, The reason God gives us his Laws is because He loves us. Please, may your heart be opened, I write this comment not to judge anyone, but in hopes that tender hearts may be reached, it is not God’s will that any perish but that all may come to repentance, if you go to Jesus with a repentant and humble heart, He will not cast you out, He shows grace and mercy to the humble. Thank you all for your time,

It is so obvious that many of those who are so ‘Biblically’ opposed to homosexuality – since they absolutely refuse to apply a consistent application of Jewish law – are really just in fear of homosexuality; very possibly in fear of being a latent homosexual themselves.

It would be funny, were it not so sad…

According To the Center for Disease Control, 52% of all AIDS cases afflict the homosexual community, Homosexuality is a deadly practice, People dieing senselessly and for what? Those that you call “bigots” are only trying to save people from a practice that could kill them Please, WAKE UP, We do not need to lose any more Loved ones to their own Self destructive behaviors. further, I do not think they that you call “bigots” are pushing people away from God at all, Why do homosexuals so frequently think people that try to minister are judging them for “being different” when everything we do is actually for their own good and to get them to DRAW CLOSE To God and Seek His calling for their lives rather than the Lusts of their own hearts?