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Proof That Homosexuality is Not a Choice

Did you Choose to be straight? Did you choose to be the color you are? The bible says many things about sin. Let me say this, in the bible it is an abomination for someone to commit adultery. It says that any offender of this sin should be stoned to death. Do we really take that literally? No we don’t.. Read On. More detail inside.

Congratulations to the states who have recently approved same sex marriage!

Many christians or believers stand around with their well put together signs, saying gays are an abomination and should be put to death.  The bible is a book that has my highest respect.  Yes it says that “If a man Lies with another man as he does with a woman, he should be stoned to death”.  Now it goes on to say that “If someone commits adultery they should be stoned and put to death as well.  Abomination in those hebrew days meant unclean.  NewsFlash people, they have preachers that come on television and say that they have committed adultery…Should we put them to death? Of course not.  The original bible was written in the Hebrew Language,  the bible has been revised thousands of times. How do we know that everything that was analyzed and revised was written the way God wanted it to be. At the end of the original bible, the last page in fact, it simply states do not take away or add to this book. 

Everyone who is anti-homosexuality please read on.  “people are not born gay or lesbian, its a choice”  sound familiar? I’m sure it does.  Now with that said.  Why would people choose to be different, looked down on, committing suicide because of the hard life they lead.  If people say that there is no way God would allow someone to be born gay or lesbian, I asked them in return, “why would God allow some people to be born with both sexes? Why would God allow some kids to be born without arms, or without legs? Why would God allow some children to be born with Cancer and waiting their turn to be treated at Saint Judes? Why would God allow me to have always known that I was different since the age of 5? There are no legitimate answers, but I have a pretty good theory that came to me during prayer, and my talks with my maker, God.

Here it goes:  God allows people to be born gay, to see how so-called christians(his own) will treat them. God says to love everyone as I have loved you. Maybe it is not a test for homosexuals, maybe its a test for those who are so angry and against gay people. You are using Gods word (bible) as a weapon.

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  1. Kirsty

    On May 16, 2009 at 11:18 pm


    I very much appreciate your article. I am not of christian faith, but I am gay. I was doing some research and came across your page, and was very pleased when I read it, and also a little shocked. I haven’t met a christian who is gay and open about it, most of the time, people i knew that were christian would talk horrible things about and to me. My church told me never to come back when i was nine because of it, and my mom told me that i would go through this phase, and that it is not what God had planned for my life. It hurt. It made me feel like these people didn’t even believe in God or talk to God, they just used him to speak their own judgmental minds. I am still gay, and I am 18, and I am as happy as ever.

  2. thechooser

    On May 19, 2009 at 1:53 am


    First, homosexuality is not genetic and is almost absolutely certainly a function of various environmental factors and inputs beginning around age 2. You feel you don’t have a choice because you have submitted to the condition and as much as you understand the logical reasoning behind why a homosexual person should want to be straight, the act of actually going through the physical and emotional struggles and withdrawal to heal the deep emotional wounds and developmental contingencies, is far too great, far too painful, and seems overall not worth the struggle when you could just submit to what you believe ‘God’ has chosen for you. I don’t believe this is so wrong if you choose that but I do believe the overall assumptions of homosexuality and its causes are a fallacy.

  3. sam

    On May 21, 2009 at 8:34 am


    im not really bothered about gay or straight im just happy that you can have a normal life

    good luck to everyone whose gay

  4. Tiffany Duffy

    On June 1, 2009 at 12:47 am


    I am convinced that homosexuals have been born with such radical needs for intimacy with God that a relationship with the opposite sex could never fill what they have been given.

    I am a missionary and most recently while here in the U.S. I was eating lunch with my mom at a cafe. A young (maybe 16) man came in who was gay came walking in and sat across the room by himself. The Lord spoke to me and said, “Tell him I have loved him since before he was born.”

    “Do you want me to tell him now, Lord?”

    “Go tell him when you are ready to leave.”

    As my mom and I got up to leave, my mom excused herself to the bathroom and I figured it was a good time to approach him. I walked over and introduced myself to him. I stood up next to his table and told him,
    “Nice to meet you, Richard. The Lord wants you to know that He loves you and has loved you since before you were born.”

    He thought he was on candid camera.

    “What?! Are you serious right now?? Come and sit down and explain this to me!”

    So I began to open my mouth, and because He is faithful, the Lord spoke to Richard through me.

    “Richard, I am a servant of the living God. He is alive and living and moving in powerful ways today. He wants you to know He has a plan for your life. He has a calling on your life. He has put a supernatural protection over you, that has kept you from being destroyed. He has put you on the earth for a purpose and He wants to reveal that purpose to you. But first you must know His love for you. He longs to spend time with you, Richard. He yearns for you to know Him. He knows everything about you. He knows your struggles, He knows your strengths. He knows the things you hate and the things you love, because He created you and put those things in your heart. I gave Him my whole life when I met Him because I realized there was no one on earth like Him. Since then He has created a place in my heart to love Africans and has sent me to Africa a number of times to share His love with them. I never thought I could ever love them the way I do. He has set me free from deep rooted sins in my life, sins since my childhood that I was so ashamed of. He has transformed the way that I think and how I treat people. I am not the same person I was before I met HIm. That old girl died, and I am made new. All that matters in my life is what He thinks of me. And He has an even greater plan for your life, Richard. Your life is not over, your destiny and identity is not set in stone and not determined by you. He will do things in your life that you never ever could imagine. Ever. “

    Richard began to get very real with me. He began to look more like a man to me as he responded.

    “I don’t know what to say to this. What do I do?”

    “Richard, you can either accept what has been spoken or reject it.”

    “I accept it. I accept it.”

    “That is it. He will do the rest. He will show you the plan He has for your life, it will unfold before your eyes. He loves you and will never leave you. He calls you His beloved. He loves you as you are, He meets you where you are at in your life. He has loved you since before you were born.”

    “Thank you.”

    “God bless you, brother.”

  5. brazilian

    On August 4, 2009 at 5:10 pm


    I didn’t ask to be born like that.
    and if I could choose, I’d rather be diferent.
    because of prejudice and judgements.
    but this is my nature and I can’t fight against it.
    when you see “ex gays/lesbians” , they just repressed their desire…they just stopped their homosexual practice.
    they aren’t being themselves…living a false and unhappy life.
    I’m christian and churches are full of repressed gays and lesbians.
    awaken! the homosexuality is present in everywhere.
    some psychologists believe that no one is 100% straight.

  6. notagayfag

    On August 9, 2009 at 10:16 pm


    No one is 100% straight. It’s natural to have some homosexual thoughts, just like its natural to want to kill someone when you get really mad. However, just because you feel like it doesn’t mean you should do it. When you said that god makes people gay as a population controler, god makes people impotent. That seems much more likely than using gay people as a population controler something he specifically stated as punishable by death(If you read the bible in original hebrew, that is what it means). However, i don’t believe that now a days we should stone gay people. Several laws god made in the old testament do not apply anymore. And if you don’t believe me, God destroyed sodom and gommorah because it was full of gays. Read the story somewhere in genesis.

  7. notagayfag

    On August 9, 2009 at 10:18 pm


    ANd when all of you said that gays shouldn’t be forced to marry, i agree, however they should stay single.

  8. katieb

    On September 11, 2009 at 11:21 pm


    Isn’t eating shrimp an abomination as well?

    To Red Lobster!

    I’ll bring the stones!

  9. Alex

    On October 2, 2010 at 9:39 pm


    Hi! Some points on the issue of homosexuality:
    1) The question that must be addressed is the one almost always overlooked. The question is: What is homosexuality? I mean in detail. No vague definition should be given. What exactly differentiates one as being a homosexual. The answer must be 100% clear, otherwise what is the point of any scientist claiming it’s not a genetic issue and another claiming it is. That is, how can one research to find the cause of something, when that something is not clear to him.
    2) What then, is homosexuality?
    Homosexuality is just a term used to describe behaviours. In itself, homosexuality has no hypostasis. The following questions may make this clear.
    ***Is a homosexual one that has anal sex? No. A man can have anal sex with his wife, without being a homosexual. Also, a man may have heterosexual relationships and never have anal sex until he first flirts with the idea (due to society’s training, even propaganda…) and tries it with someone. Up to that point of curiosity, the thought of anal sex may never have crossed his mind, that is, it becoming a steady preference!
    ***Is a homosexual one who likes anal sex? No. The fact that many women like anal sex, means that they feel they “benefit” something from it. Right? Therefore, why can’t a man, any man, “benefit” from it just the same?? The intestine and rectum is the same. Of course -without getting into details- they can “benefit” (just as homosexuals say they do!), if everything is done in a proper careful manner.
    ***Is a homosexual man, a man who likes to have anal sex with another man, but not with a woman? No. If not all, most homosexual men will confess that they can enjoy anal sex with women just as well! If one of course -at the end- prefers men, then, there is a reason (physical and psychological) why he does so. (Can’t get into that now.)
    ***Is a homosexual one who loves a person of same sex? No. A boy may love his father, brother, male friend, and a girl may love her mother, sister, female friend, without being homosexuals.
    ***Is a homosexual man one that “feels” like he is a girl/woman? Before answering one must ask: How do we know that what a gay man a) actually feels and b) considers a female identity? But let’s stay on “b” for a while. What EXACTLY is a female identity?? Is it being emotional? No. If not all, many men are emotional. **Under particular conditions** they may express the same emotions as a woman. Hence, the answer -in my opinion- to our initial question is: it is not clear what a female (and male I will add) identity is! That is, the boundaries between a male and female identity are not clear.
    ***Is a homosexual one who, likes to wear, feels comfortable in, woman’s clothing? No. A well carried out experiment can make that clear. Indeed a “straight” person will find that wearing woman’s clothing gives him a) a sense of experiencing something new, therefore something -to a degree- exciting b) a sense of freedom due to the looseness of woman’s close, maybe even a sense of nakedness c) a sense of “tenderness” due to the softness of the material d) a sense of female identity (!) since he knows (as society “teaches”) that what he is wearing, that is, that type of clothing “belongs” to women.
    Note: Keep in mind that most men like women’s clothing when… women wear them! That says alot, if you discern it. if they are taught from a young age to wear it, why wouldn’t they like it??
    All the above combined, for a period of let’s say even just one week, can make a man appreciate women’s clothing, even enjoy it.
    If during this process you ask of this man while he is dressed like a woman, to do what is considered “women things” (feed a child, wash dishes, paint their nails, etc.), than this man can even be disillusioned (!!) to start to “see” himself as a women!! Believe it or not! This is what many times happens with -so called- gays.
    Even so, does this make that man a homosexual? Of course not. He was just initiated to find reasons to like woman’s clothing, “women things”. All men can be initiated to the same “perspective”. (The nest step would be, women behaviour!)
    Note: Women like women’s clothing, why can’t man not be able to like it?? Only family/society/religious moral restrictions/rules/laws/customs etc. can train a person to not appreciate other sex clothing. This same person can be trained -as in a experiment- to go beyond his previous restrictions and realize things differently.
    Now, if a man, is firstly initiated to homosexual relationships, and his “partners” encourage wearing female clothing, he can then be initiated to -in time- like wearing women’s clothing, even all the time!
    Note 1: there are homosexuals who do not like to wear women’s clothing.
    Note 2: you can teach a little boy to love wearing girl clothing! The same of course is true for little girls. Just as you can teach both to “feel”, or think they feel (!), what the opposite sex feels (…)! Fit these facts into the picture here.
    ***Is a homosexual man one who has erotic tendencies towards men? A question that must first be answered is: what is -in precise detail- an erotic tendency?? If the quick answer involves desiring another persons body for the purpose of sexual foreplay or sex, then the answer to the initial question here is no. That is, there are reasons desires show up, and there are physical reasons sexual desires show up. A man can be “trained” by society and his peers to particular physical/psychological desires. Many homosexual will admit that for a great part of their life, they did not have any erotic tendency towards men.
    ***Is a homosexual man one who likes to touch/feel another man’s body (sexual organs etc.)? No. All men appreciate to a degree the “feel” of their own body. Why wouldn’t they appreciate the “feel” of another man’s body, especially if it’s in a very good condition? OF COURSE THEY WOULD! It’s normal. It is a society’s morals that prevents a man from even thinking of such a thing, much more, experiment with the idea.
    Note: If let’s say -for hypothesis sake- a man -in a controlled environment- reaches the age of 25-30without ever coming in physical contact with a naked person, and has no knowledge and presuppositions on sexuality/genders/preferences, and another man who is naked is brought to him in order that he comes in contact with his body in a small child’s innocent way and learn of and from it and experience it (through touch or even kissing), wouldn’t he enjoy the naked man’s body? Of course! Why not?? It’s all about skin texture, softness, feel, color, shape, etc.
    (To each of the above points, more details can be added of course, but I hope you got the idea.)
    So, in closing, my theory says, that there is no such thing as homosexuality in nature. There is though “homosexuality” as a term used to describe particular symptoms/acts in human and animal behaviour. The components of the descriptions of homosexuality, when distinguished in detail, are to be found IN ALL PEOPLE! Therefore ALL PEOPLE CAN -UNDER “PERSONAL” CONDITIONS/“TRAINING”- BECOME “HOMOSEXUALS”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Yes, you, anybody cab become homosexuals, addicted to “homosexuality”.
    This is something children should learn in order to not be fooled into believing that they are born homosexuals just because they see some things in themselves that are attributed to homosexuals. Keep in mind also:
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2499480/posts

    My english is not the best, but I hope I was helpful especially to those who want to be helped. Note: Much much more can be said.
    Alex

  10. Alex

    On October 2, 2010 at 9:41 pm


    Hi! Some points on the issue of homosexuality:
    1) The question that must be addressed is the one almost always overlooked. The question is: What is homosexuality? I mean in detail. No vague definition should be given. What exactly differentiates one as being a homosexual. The answer must be 100% clear, otherwise what is the point of any scientist claiming it\’s not a genetic issue and another claiming it is. That is, how can one research to find the cause of something, when that something is not clear to him.
    2) What then, is homosexuality?
    Homosexuality is just a term used to describe behaviours. In itself, homosexuality has no hypostasis. The following questions may make this clear.
    ***Is a homosexual one that has anal sex? No. A man can have anal sex with his wife, without being a homosexual. Also, a man may have heterosexual relationships and never have anal sex until he first flirts with the idea (due to society\’s training, even propaganda…) and tries it with someone. Up to that point of curiosity, the thought of anal sex may never have crossed his mind, that is, it becoming a steady preference!
    ***Is a homosexual one who likes anal sex? No. The fact that many women like anal sex, means that they feel they “benefit” something from it. Right? Therefore, why can’t a man, any man, “benefit” from it just the same?? The intestine and rectum is the same. Of course -without getting into details- they can \”benefit\” (just as homosexuals say they do!), if everything is done in a proper careful manner.
    ***Is a homosexual man, a man who likes to have anal sex with another man, but not with a woman? No. If not all, most homosexual men will confess that they can enjoy anal sex with women just as well! If one of course -at the end- prefers men, then, there is a reason (physical and psychological) why he does so. (Can’t get into that now.)
    ***Is a homosexual one who loves a person of same sex? No. A boy may love his father, brother, male friend, and a girl may love her mother, sister, female friend, without being homosexuals.
    ***Is a homosexual man one that “feels” like he is a girl/woman? Before answering one must ask: How do we know that what a gay man a) actually feels and b) considers a female identity? But let’s stay on “b” for a while. What EXACTLY is a female identity?? Is it being emotional? No. If not all, many men are emotional. **Under particular conditions** they may express the same emotions as a woman. Hence, the answer -in my opinion- to our initial question is: it is not clear what a female (and male I will add) identity is! That is, the boundaries between a male and female identity are not clear.
    ***Is a homosexual one who, likes to wear, feels comfortable in, woman’s clothing? No. A well carried out experiment can make that clear. Indeed a “straight” person will find that wearing woman’s clothing gives him a) a sense of experiencing something new, therefore something -to a degree- exciting b) a sense of freedom due to the looseness of woman’s close, maybe even a sense of nakedness c) a sense of “tenderness” due to the softness of the material d) a sense of female identity (!) since he knows (as society “teaches”) that what he is wearing, that is, that type of clothing “belongs” to women.
    Note: Keep in mind that most men like women\’s clothing when… women wear them! That says alot, if you discern it. if they are taught from a young age to wear it, why wouldn\’t they like it??
    All the above combined, for a period of let’s say even just one week, can make a man appreciate women’s clothing, even enjoy it.
    If during this process you ask of this man while he is dressed like a woman, to do what is considered “women things” (feed a child, wash dishes, paint their nails, etc.), than this man can even be disillusioned (!!) to start to “see” himself as a women!! Believe it or not! This is what many times happens with -so called- gays.
    Even so, does this make that man a homosexual? Of course not. He was just initiated to find reasons to like woman’s clothing, “women things”. All men can be initiated to the same “perspective”. (The nest step would be, women behaviour!)
    Note: Women like women’s clothing, why can’t man not be able to like it?? Only family/society/religious moral restrictions/rules/laws/customs etc. can train a person to not appreciate other sex clothing. This same person can be trained -as in a experiment- to go beyond his previous restrictions and realize things differently.
    Now, if a man, is firstly initiated to homosexual relationships, and his “partners” encourage wearing female clothing, he can then be initiated to -in time- like wearing women’s clothing, even all the time!
    Note 1: there are homosexuals who do not like to wear women’s clothing.
    Note 2: you can teach a little boy to love wearing girl clothing! The same of course is true for little girls. Just as you can teach both to “feel”, or think they feel (!), what the opposite sex feels (…)! Fit these facts into the picture here.
    ***Is a homosexual man one who has erotic tendencies towards men? A question that must first be answered is: what is -in precise detail- an erotic tendency?? If the quick answer involves desiring another persons body for the purpose of sexual foreplay or sex, then the answer to the initial question here is no. That is, there are reasons desires show up, and there are physical reasons sexual desires show up. A man can be “trained” by society and his peers to particular physical/psychological desires. Many homosexual will admit that for a great part of their life, they did not have any erotic tendency towards men.
    ***Is a homosexual man one who likes to touch/feel another man’s body (sexual organs etc.)? No. All men appreciate to a degree the “feel” of their own body. Why wouldn’t they appreciate the “feel” of another man’s body, especially if it’s in a very good condition? OF COURSE THEY WOULD! It’s normal. It is a society’s morals that prevents a man from even thinking of such a thing, much more, experiment with the idea.
    Note: If let’s say -for hypothesis sake- a man -in a controlled environment- reaches the age of 25-30without ever coming in physical contact with a naked person, and has no knowledge and presuppositions on sexuality/genders/preferences, and another man who is naked is brought to him in order that he comes in contact with his body in a small child’s innocent way and learn of and from it and experience it (through touch or even kissing), wouldn’t he enjoy the naked man’s body? Of course! Why not?? It’s all about skin texture, softness, feel, color, shape, etc.
    (To each of the above points, more details can be added of course, but I hope you got the idea.)
    So, in closing, my theory says, that there is no such thing as homosexuality in nature. There is though “homosexuality” as a term used to describe particular symptoms/acts in human and animal behaviour. The components of the descriptions of homosexuality, when distinguished in detail, are to be found IN ALL PEOPLE! Therefore ALL PEOPLE CAN -UNDER “PERSONAL” CONDITIONS/“TRAINING”- BECOME “HOMOSEXUALS”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Yes, you, anybody cab become homosexuals, addicted to “homosexuality”.
    This is something children should learn in order to not be fooled into believing that they are born homosexuals just because they see some things in themselves that are attributed to homosexuals. Keep in mind also:
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2499480/posts

    My english is not the best, but I hope I was helpful especially to those who want to be helped. Note: Much much more can be said.
    Alex

  11. Alex

    On October 2, 2010 at 9:46 pm


    Hi! Some points on the issue of homosexuality:
    1) The question that must be addressed is the one almost always overlooked. The question is: What is homosexuality? I mean in detail. No vague definition should be given. What exactly differentiates one as being a homosexual. The answer must be 100% clear, otherwise what is the point of any scientist claiming it’s not a genetic issue and another claiming it is. That is, how can one research to find the cause of something, when that something is not clear to him.
    2) What then, is homosexuality?
    Homosexuality is just a term used to describe behaviours. In itself, homosexuality has no hypostasis. The following questions may make this clear.
    ***Is a homosexual one that has anal sex? No. A man can have anal sex with his wife, without being a homosexual. Also, a man may have heterosexual relationships and never have anal sex until he first flirts with the idea (due to society\\\’s training, even propaganda…) and tries it with someone. Up to that point of curiosity, the thought of anal sex may never have crossed his mind, that is, it becoming a steady preference!
    ***Is a homosexual one who likes anal sex? No. The fact that many women like anal sex, means that they feel they “benefit” something from it. Right? Therefore, why can’t a man, any man, “benefit” from it just the same?? The intestine and rectum is the same. Of course -without getting into details- they can \\\”benefit\\\” (just as homosexuals say they do!), if everything is done in a proper careful manner.
    ***Is a homosexual man, a man who likes to have anal sex with another man, but not with a woman? No. If not all, most homosexual men will confess that they can enjoy anal sex with women just as well! If one of course -at the end- prefers men, then, there is a reason (physical and psychological) why he does so. (Can’t get into that now.)
    ***Is a homosexual one who loves a person of same sex? No. A boy may love his father, brother, male friend, and a girl may love her mother, sister, female friend, without being homosexuals.
    ***Is a homosexual man one that “feels” like he is a girl/woman? Before answering one must ask: How do we know that what a gay man a) actually feels and b) considers a female identity? But let’s stay on “b” for a while. What EXACTLY is a female identity?? Is it being emotional? No. If not all, many men are emotional. **Under particular conditions** they may express the same emotions as a woman. Hence, the answer -in my opinion- to our initial question is: it is not clear what a female (and male I will add) identity is! That is, the boundaries between a male and female identity are not clear.
    ***Is a homosexual one who, likes to wear, feels comfortable in, woman’s clothing? No. A well carried out experiment can make that clear. Indeed a “straight” person will find that wearing woman’s clothing gives him a) a sense of experiencing something new, therefore something -to a degree- exciting b) a sense of freedom due to the looseness of woman’s close, maybe even a sense of nakedness c) a sense of “tenderness” due to the softness of the material d) a sense of female identity (!) since he knows (as society “teaches”) that what he is wearing, that is, that type of clothing “belongs” to women.
    Note: Keep in mind that most men like women\\\’s clothing when… women wear them! That says alot, if you discern it. if they are taught from a young age to wear it, why wouldn\\\’t they like it??
    All the above combined, for a period of let’s say even just one week, can make a man appreciate women’s clothing, even enjoy it.
    If during this process you ask of this man while he is dressed like a woman, to do what is considered “women things” (feed a child, wash dishes, paint their nails, etc.), than this man can even be disillusioned (!!) to start to “see” himself as a women!! Believe it or not! This is what many times happens with -so called- gays.
    Even so, does this make that man a homosexual? Of course not. He was just initiated to find reasons to like woman’s clothing, “women things”. All men can be initiated to the same “perspective”. (The nest step would be, women behaviour!)
    Note: Women like women’s clothing, why can’t man not be able to like it?? Only family/society/religious moral restrictions/rules/laws/customs etc. can train a person to not appreciate other sex clothing. This same person can be trained -as in a experiment- to go beyond his previous restrictions and realize things differently.
    Now, if a man, is firstly initiated to homosexual relationships, and his “partners” encourage wearing female clothing, he can then be initiated to -in time- like wearing women’s clothing, even all the time!
    Note 1: there are homosexuals who do not like to wear women’s clothing.
    Note 2: you can teach a little boy to love wearing girl clothing! The same of course is true for little girls. Just as you can teach both to “feel”, or think they feel (!), what the opposite sex feels (…)! Fit these facts into the picture here.
    ***Is a homosexual man one who has erotic tendencies towards men? A question that must first be answered is: what is -in precise detail- an erotic tendency?? If the quick answer involves desiring another persons body for the purpose of sexual foreplay or sex, then the answer to the initial question here is no. That is, there are reasons desires show up, and there are physical reasons sexual desires show up. A man can be “trained” by society and his peers to particular physical/psychological desires. Many homosexual will admit that for a great part of their life, they did not have any erotic tendency towards men.
    ***Is a homosexual man one who likes to touch/feel another man’s body (sexual organs etc.)? No. All men appreciate to a degree the “feel” of their own body. Why wouldn’t they appreciate the “feel” of another man’s body, especially if it’s in a very good condition? OF COURSE THEY WOULD! It’s normal. It is a society’s morals that prevents a man from even thinking of such a thing, much more, experiment with the idea.
    Note: If let’s say -for hypothesis sake- a man -in a controlled environment- reaches the age of 25-30 without ever coming in physical contact with a naked person, and has no knowledge and presuppositions on sexuality/genders/preferences, and another man who is naked is brought to him in order that he comes in contact with his body in a small child’s innocent way and learn of and from it and experience it (through touch or even kissing), wouldn’t he enjoy the naked man’s body? Of course! Why not?? It’s all about skin texture, softness, feel, color, shape, etc. (Add to that, the thought of knowing that you are giving someone pleasure.)
    (To each of the above points, more details can be added of course, but I hope you got the idea.)
    So, in closing, my theory says, that there is no such thing as homosexuality in nature. There is though “homosexuality” as a term used to describe particular symptoms/acts in human and animal behaviour. The components of the descriptions of homosexuality, when distinguished in detail, are to be found IN ALL PEOPLE! Therefore ALL PEOPLE CAN -UNDER “PERSONAL” CONDITIONS/“TRAINING”- BECOME “HOMOSEXUALS”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Yes, you, anybody cab become homosexuals, addicted to “homosexuality”.
    This is something children should learn in order to not be fooled into believing that they are born homosexuals just because they see some things in themselves that are attributed to homosexuals. Keep in mind also:
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2499480/posts

    My english is not the best, but I hope I was helpful especially to those who want to be helped. Note: Much much more can be said.
    Alex

  12. Alex

    On October 2, 2010 at 9:58 pm


    Hi! Some points on the issue of homosexuality:
    1) The question that must be addressed is the one almost always overlooked. The question is: What is homosexuality? I mean in detail. No vague definition should be given. What exactly differentiates one as being a homosexual. The answer must be 100% clear, otherwise what is the point of any scientist claiming it\\\’s not a genetic issue and another claiming it is. That is, how can one research to find the cause of something, when that something is not clear to him.
    2) What then, is homosexuality?
    Homosexuality is just a term used to describe behaviours. In itself, homosexuality has no hypostasis. The following questions may make this clear.
    ***Is a homosexual one that has an** sex? No. A man can have anal sex with his wife, without being a homosexual. Also, a man may have heterosexual relationships and never have an** sex until he first flirts with the idea (due to society’s training, even propaganda…) and tries it with someone. Up to that point of curiosity, the thought of anal sex may never have crossed his mind, that is, it becoming a steady preference!
    ***Is a homosexual one who likes an** sex? No. The fact that many women like anal sex, means that they feel they “benefit” something from it. Right? Therefore, why can’t a man, any man, “benefit” from it just the same?? The intestine and rectum are the same. Of course -without getting into details- they can “benefit” (just as homosexuals say they do!), if everything is done in a proper careful manner.
    ***Is a homosexual man, a man who likes to have an** sex with another man, but not with a woman? No. If not all, most homosexual men will confess that they can enjoy an** sex with women just as well! If one of course -at the end- prefers men, then, there is a reason (physical and psychological) why he does so. (Can’t get into that now.)
    ***Is a homosexual one who loves a person of same sex? No. A boy may love his father, brother, male friend, and a girl may love her mother, sister, female friend, without being homosexuals.
    ***Is a homosexual man one that “feels” like he is a girl/woman? Before answering one must ask: How do we know that what a gay man a) actually feels and b) considers a female identity? But let’s stay on “b” for a while. What EXACTLY is a female identity?? Is it being emotional? No. If not all, many men are emotional. **Under particular conditions** they may express the same emotions as a woman. Hence, the answer -in my opinion- to our initial question is: it is not clear what a female (and male I will add) identity is! That is, the boundaries between a male and female identity are not clear.
    ***Is a homosexual one who, likes to wear, feels comfortable in, woman’s clothing? No. A well carried out experiment can make that clear. Indeed a “straight” person will find that wearing woman’s clothing gives him a) a sense of experiencing something new, therefore something -to a degree- exciting b) a sense of freedom due to the looseness of woman’s close, maybe even a sense of nakedness c) a sense of “tenderness” due to the softness of the material d) a sense of female identity (!) since he knows (as society “teaches”) that what he is wearing, that is, that type of clothing “belongs” to women.
    Note: Keep in mind that most men like women’s clothing when… women wear them! That says alot, if you discern it. if they are taught from a young age to wear it, why wouldn’t they like it??
    All the above combined, for a period of let’s say even just one week, can make a man appreciate women’s clothing, even enjoy it.
    If during this process you ask of this man while he is dressed like a woman, to do what is considered “women things” (feed a child, wash dishes, paint their nails, etc.), than this man can even be disillusioned (!!) to start to “see” himself as a women!! Believe it or not! This is what many times happens with -so called- gays.
    Even so, does this make that man a homosexual? Of course not. He was just initiated to find reasons to like woman’s clothing, “women things”. All men can be initiated to the same “perspective”. (The nest step would be, women behaviour!)
    Note: Women like women’s clothing, why can’t man not be able to like it?? Only family/society/religious moral restrictions/rules/laws/customs etc. can train a person to not appreciate other sex clothing. This same person can be trained -as in a experiment- to go beyond his previous restrictions and realize things differently.
    Now, if a man, is firstly initiated to homosexual relationships, and his “partners” encourage wearing female clothing, he can then be initiated to -in time- like wearing women’s clothing, even all the time!
    Note 1: there are homosexuals who do not like to wear women’s clothing.
    Note 2: you can teach a little boy to love wearing girl clothing! The same of course is true for little girls. Just as you can teach both to “feel”, or think they feel (!), what the opposite sex feels (…)! Fit these facts into the picture here.
    ***Is a homosexual man one who has erotic tendencies towards men? A question that must first be answered is: what is -in precise detail- an erotic tendency?? If the quick answer involves desiring another persons body for the purpose of sexual foreplay or sex, then the answer to the initial question here is no. That is, there are reasons desires show up, and there are physical reasons sexual desires show up. A man can be “trained” by society and his peers to particular physical/psychological desires. Many homosexual will admit that for a great part of their life, they did not have any erotic tendency towards men.
    ***Is a homosexual man one who likes to touch/feel another man’s body (sexual organs etc.)? No. All men appreciate to a degree the “feel” of their own body. Why wouldn’t they appreciate the “feel” of another man’s body, especially if it’s in a very good condition? OF COURSE THEY WOULD! It’s normal. It is a society’s morals that prevents a man from even thinking of such a thing, much more, experiment with the idea.
    Note: If let’s say -for hypothesis sake- a man -in a controlled environment- reaches the age of 25-30 without ever coming in physical contact with a naked person, and has no knowledge and presuppositions on sexuality/genders/preferences, and another man who is naked is brought to him in order that he comes in contact with his body in a small child’s innocent way and learn of and from it and experience it (through touch or even kissing), wouldn’t he enjoy the naked man’s body? Of course! Why not?? It’s all about skin texture, softness, feel, color, shape, etc. (Add to that, the thought of knowing that you are giving someone pleasure.)
    (To each of the above points, more details can be added of course, but I hope you got the idea.)
    So, in closing, my theory says, that there is no such thing as homosexuality in nature. There is though “homosexuality” as a term used to describe particular symptoms/acts in human and animal behaviour. The components of the descriptions of homosexuality, when distinguished in detail, are to be found IN ALL PEOPLE! Therefore ALL PEOPLE CAN -UNDER “PERSONAL” CONDITIONS/“TRAINING”- BECOME “HOMOSEXUALS”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Yes, you, anybody can become homosexuals, addicted to “homosexuality”.
    This is something children should learn in order to not be fooled into believing that they are born homosexuals just because they see some things in themselves that are attributed to homosexuals. Keep in mind also:
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2499480/posts

    -When I hear people say that they remember being homosexuals from a very young age, I always wonder how does a boy 4-8 years old know what homosexuality is? Has someone taught him to believe that homosexuality is eg. a little boys loving little boys or feeling good when touching little boys?
    I do not trust claims of the kind, since many homosexuals are many times brainwashed into claiming things that didn’t happen as they say, or even flat out lie about it to excuse their preferences.
    Well, that’s all. More than enough I believe. thank you for your patience.
    My english is not the best, but I hope I was helpful especially to those who want to be helped. Note: Much much more can be said.
    Alex

  13. Alex

    On October 6, 2010 at 4:28 pm


    Hello. I had to contact you here on this thread, since I can’t through your contact page. It does not accept the code words; it always says it’s wrong.
    Anyway, my comment is repeated 4 times. Please remove first three and leave the the last one (has minor changes).
    Thanks.

  14. Haldo

    On October 30, 2010 at 2:42 pm


    I’m writing this assuming that the readers are straight. If you’re gay, you don’t really need to hear this.

    A homosexual is someone who primarily feels romantic/sexual attration towards people who are the same gender as themselves. As for what romantic/sexual attraction is? I’m sure you’ve felt it yourself, albiet towards people of your opposite gender. I don’t think that feeling can be put into words, but why should it have to be if you know what I’m talking about? Think of the person you “like” (as in like-like, not just friends-like). Your girlfriend, boyfriend or crush. Chances are, you’ve felt that way about more than one person over your lifetime.
    You don’t get to choose who you “like”. It just happens. Even if you repressed your feelings for someone, you wouldn’t suddenly start getting those sorts of feelings for people of your own gender. You’re born with a preference towards one gender or another. You don’t get to choose what gender you prefer, and it’s not the result of your environment, either. You’re just born with it. The only reason most people like people of their opposite gender is that those are the people who will pass on their genes to the next generation, for obvious reasons.

    One last thing: Why should gays stay single? It’s not like they’re going to pass on their genes, guys. Also, I’d like to point out that the bible says that anyone who gets a divorce should be stoned to death. Do you really take that seriously? If not, why should you take it seriously that the bible says gays should be stoned to death? There’s no reason for it, whatsoever. The guy who wrote that was probably just homophobic. God didn’t write the bible, you know. His followers did, and they weren’t perfect people.

  15. Alex

    On April 8, 2011 at 5:38 pm


    Haldo hello! I’d like to comment on some of your points.
    You wrote: You don’t get to choose who you “like”. It just happens.
    Comment: If you are talking about any person, no it doesn’t. There are always reasons you like someone, you just have to know how to find those reasons.
    If you are talking about a gender, we are all born with an initial tendency towards the oposite gender. That initial tendency though can be “highjacked” depending on the environment we grow up around. There might be hereditary factors that can hinder it, but that all, the rest we do by our own choice.

    You wrote: Even if you repressed your feelings for someone, you wouldn’t suddenly start getting those sorts of feelings for people of your own gender.
    Comment: Erotic feelings are composed of many factors. Most factors, if singled out, can be applied to the same as well as to the opposite gender. This is very important. What then is the factor that makes a man have erotic feelings towards another man? My answer is that one is simply initiated (due to curiosity, friends, ethics) to like something, then to love something, then to want that something, that is, sexually. I mean, skin is skin, lips are lips, etc. If you read my previous message, you will get a more complete understanding of this.

    You wrote: You’re born with a preference towards one gender or another. You don’t get to choose what gender you prefer, and it’s not the result of your environment, either. You’re just born with it.
    Comment: Preferring the same gender sexually since birth, as a possibility, has not be proven. Even if a child shows a sexual tendency in a very young age, then one of the questions I would ask, is if that e.g. boy was exposed to his parents sexual conduct or to porn. This, would be enough to trigger his curiosity, and if he has a little buddy, it may start to find an “exit” on him, that is, the boy may start to reenact sexual behaviour and… he has **no reason** not to like it, on the contrary!!! Especially if he is aware of his own body sexually. This, repetition of intimate behavior towards one boy can grow to become an intimate behavior towards another boy and so on, and at some time, to all boys! There you have it! A homosexual, right? WRONG.

    You wrote: The only reason most people like people of their opposite gender is that those are the people who will pass on their genes to the next generation, for obvious reasons.
    Comment: a) But this -as we see- is THE rule, don’t forget.
    b) No, this “only reason” sounds like a doctrine of some faith, which is wrong by the way. I say it’s wrong, because straight couples, even married ones, many times choose not to have children. Nothing prompts them to “pass on their genes” and have children, although the attraction to the opposite sex is still there. What I am saying is that sex is not there just to have children but for enjoyment as well. This all people can become aware of and most have so and will do so. Biblical Christianity also presents sex as having a twofold purpose: child bearing and enjoyment.

    One last thing: Why should gays stay single? It’s not like they’re going to pass on their genes, guys.
    Comment: “Single”? Gays will not and do not stay single. There is no such gay. It is a contradiction in terms. If you mean unmarried, although it’s besides the point, I would not like that because they are setting a wrong, unnatural example for our children and as I said in my previous message, all children can become gay under the right circumstances. This, theoretically would slowly yet in the long run, lead to wiping out human civilization or at least 98% of it.

    You wrote: Also, I’d like to point out that the bible says that anyone who gets a divorce should be stoned to death. Do you really take that seriously? If not, why should you take it seriously that the bible says gays should be stoned to death? There’s no reason for it, whatsoever.
    Comment: Actually not the bible but its first part, the old testament says that. And yes, if I lived over there and at that time, I would take him very seriously if I “was gay”. The new testament teaches no such thing. It does say though that they will end up in hell.

    You wrote: The guy who wrote that was probably just homophobic. God didn’t write the bible, you know. His followers did, and they weren’t perfect people.
    Comment: True. God did not write it and his followers weren’t perfect. The question though is, did God give divine inspiration to people to write -in their own words- His will? Well, that’s for another thread, not this one. Do your research on it though.
    Hope I made sense and was of help to you Haldo.

  16. Alex

    On April 8, 2011 at 5:40 pm


    Haldo hello! I’d like to comment on some of your points.
    You wrote: You don’t get to choose who you “like”. It just happens.
    Comment: If you are talking about any person, no it doesn’t. There are always reasons you like someone, you just have to know how to find those reasons.
    If you are talking about a gender, we are all born with an initial tendency towards the oposite gender. That initial tendency though can be “highjacked” depending on the environment we grow up around. There might be hereditary factors that can hinder it, but that all, the rest we do by our own choice.
    You wrote: Even if you repressed your feelings for someone, you wouldn’t suddenly start getting those sorts of feelings for people of your own gender.
    Comment: Erotic feelings are composed of many factors. Most factors, if singled out, can be applied to the same as well as to the opposite gender. This is very important. What then is the factor that makes a man have erotic feelings towards another man? My answer is that one is simply initiated (due to curiosity, friends, ethics) to like something, then to love something, then to want that something, that is, sexually. I mean, skin is skin, lips are lips, etc. If you read my previous message, you will get a more complete understanding of this.
    You wrote: You’re born with a preference towards one gender or another. You don’t get to choose what gender you prefer, and it’s not the result of your environment, either. You’re just born with it.
    Comment: Preferring the same gender sexually since birth, as a possibility, has not be proven. Even if a child shows a sexual tendency in a very young age, then one of the questions I would ask, is if that e.g. boy was exposed to his parents sexual conduct or to porn. This, would be enough to trigger his curiosity, and if he has a little buddy, it may start to find an “exit” on him, that is, the boy may start to reenact sexual behaviour and… he has **no reason** not to like it, on the contrary!!! Especially if he is aware of his own body sexually. This, repetition of intimate behavior towards one boy can grow to become an intimate behavior towards another boy and so on, and at some time, to all boys! There you have it! A homosexual, right? WRONG.
    You wrote: The only reason most people like people of their opposite gender is that those are the people who will pass on their genes to the next generation, for obvious reasons.
    Comment: a) But this -as we see- is THE rule, don’t forget.
    b) No, this “only reason” sounds like a doctrine of some faith, which is wrong by the way. I say it’s wrong, because straight couples, even married ones, many times choose not to have children. Nothing prompts them to “pass on their genes” and have children, although the attraction to the opposite sex is still there. What I am saying is that sex is not there just to have children but for enjoyment as well. This all people can become aware of and most have so and will do so. Biblical Christianity also presents sex as having a twofold purpose: child bearing and enjoyment.
    One last thing: Why should gays stay single? It’s not like they’re going to pass on their genes, guys.
    Comment: “Single”? Gays will not and do not stay single. There is no such gay. It is a contradiction in terms. If you mean unmarried, although it’s besides the point, I would not like that because they are setting a wrong, unnatural example for our children and as I said in my previous message, all children can become gay under the right circumstances. This, theoretically would slowly yet in the long run, lead to wiping out human civilization or at least 98% of it.
    You wrote: Also, I’d like to point out that the bible says that anyone who gets a divorce should be stoned to death. Do you really take that seriously? If not, why should you take it seriously that the bible says gays should be stoned to death? There’s no reason for it, whatsoever.
    Comment: Actually not the bible but its first part, the old testament says that. And yes, if I lived over there and at that time, I would take him very seriously if I “was gay”. The new testament teaches no such thing. It does say though that they will end up in hell.
    You wrote: The guy who wrote that was probably just homophobic. God didn’t write the bible, you know. His followers did, and they weren’t perfect people.
    Comment: True. God did not write it and his followers weren’t perfect. The question though is, did God give divine inspiration to people to write -in their own words- His will? Well, that’s for another thread, not this one. Do your research on it though.
    Hope I made sense and was of help to you Haldo.

  17. Alex

    On April 8, 2011 at 5:45 pm


    Haldo hello! I’d like to comment on some of your points.
    You wrote: You don’t get to choose who you “like”. It just happens.
    Comment: If you are talking about any person, no it doesn’t. There are always reasons you like someone, you just have to know how to find those reasons.
    If you are talking about a gender, we are all born with an initial tendency towards the oposite gender. That initial tendency though can be “highjacked” depending on the environment we grow up around. There might be hereditary factors that can hinder it, but that all, the rest we do by our own choice.

    You wrote: Even if you repressed your feelings for someone, you wouldn’t suddenly start getting those sorts of feelings for people of your own gender.
    Comment: Erotic feelings are composed of many factors. Most factors, if singled out, can be applied to the same as well as to the opposite gender. This is very important. What then is the factor that makes a man have erotic feelings towards another man? My answer is that one is simply initiated (due to curiosity, friends, ethics) to like something, then to love something, then to want that something, that is, sexually. I mean, skin is skin, lips are lips, etc. If you read my previous message, you will get a more complete understanding of this.

    You wrote: You’re born with a preference towards one gender or another. You don’t get to choose what gender you prefer, and it’s not the result of your environment, either. You’re just born with it.
    Comment: Preferring the same gender sexually since birth, as a possibility, has not be proven. Even if a child shows a sexual tendency in a very young age, then one of the questions I would ask, is if that e.g. boy was exposed to his parents sexual conduct or to porn. This, would be enough to trigger his curiosity, and if he has a little buddy, it may start to find an “exit” on him, that is, the boy may start to reenact sexual behaviour and… he has **no reason** not to like it, on the contrary!!! Especially if he is aware of his own body sexually. This, repetition of intimate behavior towards one boy can grow to become an intimate behavior towards another boy and so on, and at some time, to all boys! There you have it! A homosexual, right? WRONG.

    You wrote: The only reason most people like people of their opposite gender is that those are the people who will pass on their genes to the next generation, for obvious reasons.
    Comment: a) But this -as we see- is THE rule, don’t forget.
    b) No, this “only reason” sounds like a doctrine of some faith, which is wrong by the way. I say it’s wrong, because straight couples, even married ones, many times choose not to have children. Nothing prompts them to “pass on their genes” and have children, although the attraction to the opposite sex is still there. What I am saying is that sex is not there just to have children but for enjoyment as well. This all people can become aware of and most have so and will do so. Biblical Christianity also presents sex as having a twofold purpose: child bearing and enjoyment.
    You wrote: One last thing: Why should gays stay single? It’s not like they’re going to pass on their genes, guys.
    Comment: “Single”? Gays will not and do not stay single. There is no such gay. It is a contradiction in terms. If you mean unmarried, although it’s besides the point, I would not like that because they are setting a wrong, unnatural example for our children and as I said in my previous message, all children can become gay under the right circumstances. This, theoretically would slowly yet in the long run, lead to wiping out human civilization or at least 98% of it.
    You wrote: Also, I’d like to point out that the bible says that anyone who gets a divorce should be stoned to death. Do you really take that seriously? If not, why should you take it seriously that the bible says gays should be stoned to death? There’s no reason for it, whatsoever.
    Comment: Actually not the bible but its first part, the old testament says that. And yes, if I lived over there and at that time, I would take him very seriously if I “was gay”. The new testament teaches no such thing. It does say though that they will end up in hell.

    You wrote: The guy who wrote that was probably just homophobic. God didn’t write the bible, you know. His followers did, and they weren’t perfect people.
    Comment: True. God did not write it and his followers weren’t perfect. The question though is, did God give divine inspiration to people to write -in their own words- His will? Well, that’s for another thread, not this one. Do your research on it though.
    Hope I made sense and was of help to you Haldo.

  18. Alex

    On April 8, 2011 at 5:47 pm


    Haldo hello! I’d like to comment on some of your points.
    You wrote: You don’t get to choose who you “like”. It just happens.
    Comment: If you are talking about any person, no it doesn’t. There are always reasons you like someone, you just have to know how to find those reasons.
    If you are talking about a gender, we are all born with an initial tendency towards the oposite gender. That initial tendency though can be “highjacked” depending on the environment we grow up around. There might be hereditary factors that can hinder it (nothing has been proven), but that’s all, the rest we do by our own choice.

    You wrote: Even if you repressed your feelings for someone, you wouldn’t suddenly start getting those sorts of feelings for people of your own gender.
    Comment: Erotic feelings are composed of many factors. Most factors, if singled out, can be applied to the same as well as to the opposite gender. This is very important. What then is the factor that makes a man have erotic feelings towards another man? My answer is that one is simply initiated (due to curiosity, friends, ethics) to like something, then to love something, then to want that something, that is, sexually. I mean, skin is skin, lips are lips, etc. If you read my previous message, you will get a more complete understanding of this.

    You wrote: You’re born with a preference towards one gender or another. You don’t get to choose what gender you prefer, and it’s not the result of your environment, either. You’re just born with it.
    Comment: Preferring the same gender sexually since birth, as a possibility, has not be proven. Even if a child shows a sexual tendency in a very young age, then one of the questions I would ask, is if that e.g. boy was exposed to his parents sexual conduct or to porn. This, would be enough to trigger his curiosity, and if he has a little buddy, it may start to find an “exit” on him, that is, the boy may start to reenact sexual behaviour and… he has **no reason** not to like it, on the contrary!!! Especially if he is aware of his own body sexually. This, repetition of intimate behavior towards one boy can grow to become an intimate behavior towards another boy and so on, and at some time, to all boys! There you have it! A homosexual, right? WRONG.

    You wrote: The only reason most people like people of their opposite gender is that those are the people who will pass on their genes to the next generation, for obvious reasons.
    Comment: a) But this -as we see- is THE rule, don’t forget.
    b) No, this “only reason” sounds like a doctrine of some faith, which is wrong by the way. I say it’s wrong, because straight couples, even married ones, many times choose not to have children. Nothing prompts them to “pass on their genes” and have children, although the attraction to the opposite sex is still there. What I am saying is that sex is not there just to have children but for enjoyment as well. This all people can become aware of and most have so and will do so. Biblical Christianity also presents sex as having a twofold purpose: child bearing and enjoyment.
    You wrote: One last thing: Why should gays stay single? It’s not like they’re going to pass on their genes, guys.
    Comment: “Single”? Gays will not and do not stay single. There is no such gay. It is a contradiction in terms. If you mean unmarried, although it’s besides the point, I would not like that because they are setting a wrong, unnatural example for our children and as I said in my previous message, all children can become gay under the right circumstances. This, theoretically would slowly yet in the long run, lead to wiping out human civilization or at least 98% of it.
    You wrote: Also, I’d like to point out that the bible says that anyone who gets a divorce should be stoned to death. Do you really take that seriously? If not, why should you take it seriously that the bible says gays should be stoned to death? There’s no reason for it, whatsoever.
    Comment: Actually not the bible but its first part, the old testament says that. And yes, if I lived over there and at that time, I would take him very seriously if I “was gay”. The new testament teaches no such thing. It does say though that they will end up in hell.

    You wrote: The guy who wrote that was probably just homophobic. God didn’t write the bible, you know. His followers did, and they weren’t perfect people.
    Comment: True. God did not write it and his followers weren’t perfect. The question though is, did God give divine inspiration to people to write -in their own words- His will? Well, that’s for another thread, not this one. Do your research on it though.
    Hope I made sense and was of help to you Haldo.

  19. Alex

    On April 8, 2011 at 5:50 pm


    Not again! It’s posted twice!

  20. Winston Yang

    On July 11, 2011 at 1:59 pm


    Everyone. this article is Bullocks.

    Try a more reliable source like

    http://creation.com/the-disingenuous-and-anti-christian-nature-of-gay-rights-rhetoric

  21. winston

    On July 11, 2011 at 2:01 pm


    Everyone this argument is total crap please look up a more reliable source like:

    http://creation.com/the-disingenuous-and-anti-christian-nature-of-gay-rights-rhetoric

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