Comments on: Nation State Formation and Genocide: The Armenian Case

By: jedilost

jedilost — Mon, 04 Apr 2011 20:53:19 +0000

I am sorry for this very late reply. Triond doesn’t have a proper follow-up system (actually, none at all) so it really took too long for me to realize that you have answered me.

first of all, i should thank you for acknowledging the agony of the Turks, which is actually a very rare thing. in most of the debates i find myself in, i sadly saw that Armenians are too reluctant to accept this notion.

and about your claim that Armenians never wanted an independent state, i guess this Huncakian site at http://www.hunchak.org.au/aboutus/historical_nalbandian.html (i don’t know if it is an offical site or not but its content pretty much matches with what i know) says quite the opposite. the second item in official Huncakian program says:

“The immediate objective of the party was the political and national independence of Turkish Armenia. ”

and this is an excerpt from the 3rd item:

“The Hunchak program advocated revolution as the only means of reaching the immediate objective. The arena of revolutionary activity was designated as Turkish Armenia. The Hunchaks said that the existing social organization in Turkish Armenia could be changed by violence against the Turkish government and described the following methods: Propaganda, Agitation, Terror, Organization, and Peasant and Worker Activities.”.

and this is the year 1886.

so i am really not making this up, but only showing you what Armenians have written.

actually, it would be wrong to assume that Armanians didn’t want what most of the other nations have already got: independence. this was the main trend back then.

now again, please let me emphasize that i am definitely not trying to say anything like “Armanians got what they deserved.” No, not at all. All i am trying to say that there was an ongoing conflict between the Ottoman authority and Armenians and it ended in a way i can never approve. i am deeply sorry for every lost soul, just for sake that they were human beings regardless of their nationality, and i would really appreciate if i start to receive the same kind of treatment from Armenians who mostly feel nothnig but hatred against Turks.

By: garabet moumdjian

garabet moumdjian — Sun, 17 Oct 2010 10:21:57 +0000

Also dear friend, I don’t deny the agony of Turks. However, one must weigh the balance of calamities on both sides. all calamities are abhorred…however, to be wiped out of your ancestral homeland and to be dispersed and become a “citizen of the world” is not commensurate to somehow continue to exist on your ancestral homeland…We Armenians after all, are an “Ottoman Armenian Diaspora.” and not a n Armenian Diaspora of what is today known as the republic of Armenia…

I myself hail from a family from Marash in Cilicia (Chukurova)…

By: Garabet Moumdjian

Garabet Moumdjian — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:18:41 +0000

Unfortunately dear jedilost, independence has never occurred in the thinking of Armenians under Ottoman dominion. The most that Armenian political parties advocated for was equality and some self rule…

By: jedilost

jedilost — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:37:27 +0000

Has it ever occured to you that Armenians might have tried to do what Greeks and Bulagrians did, ie forming their own national state? Do you actually suggest that Armenians were immune from the nationalism trend?

Please dont twist my words as it tends to happen more than often. Im not saying anything like “they were backstabbers.” or “they deserved it.” No. I am nowhere near that notion. But I see no fairness in putting all the evil on the Turks and almost angelizing Armenians. What is your stand against the Moslem victims? Do you think they were not important or do you simply deny that?