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A faulty program, that takes away from innocent people.

It is ridiculous to think that making it take longer to get your drivers license that it will make you a better driver. You can apply to get your license at the age of 16 in British Columbia, you go in and take a written test and if you pass you get your learners license (your L). Once you have your L you must complete 60 hours of supervised driving by someone who is 25 or older and has had their license for over five years. This is relatively easy to do for the average person.

With your L you can not drive from midnight to five in the morning. After you’ve had your L for an entire year you are then able to go to get your Novice level drivers license. In order to get your Novice drivers license (your N) you need to go out for a driving test with a qualified instructor, the test takes anywhere from 20 to 60 minutes. If you pass your Novice test this allows you to now drive on your own or with one other person in the car. Your Novice portion of your license takes 2 years to complete. At this point you can then go take another driving test in order to get rid of your N and finally get your Class 5 license after this three year process.

This process has been so lengthened and it doesn’t help driving accidents at all. The program is so ridiculous. No one can drive with more than one person in their car until they’re 19. The whole system is just a huge money grab for the government, it has nothing to do with improving the roads.

It costs $10 each time you go to write your L test, $50 each time you have to take your N test and if you pass it becomes $75. I personally have not gotten to the point where I can go to get rid of my N but I’m sure the process is quite similar to the others. Not to mention the inflated insurance payments we have to make on our cars because of our age. People should not be discriminated against for no reason, and that is basically what is happening, it cost me $700 for my insurance over the summer. That’s $700 to have my car insured for 3 months just so I can drive to work legally. We can’t carpool, seeing as we can’t have more than one passenger. I just recently renewed my insurance for 8 months just for Pleasure and it cost me $1400, I am not allowed to drive to school or work with pleasure insurance and that’s with my 10% discount for having driven safely for the past 2 years.

Insurance discounts should start at the top automatically and if you’re in an accident then drop them to zero and make the person clime back up. People should not be penalised for things that have not happened to them, and why do you have to go back to take a test to get rid of your N after you’ve been driving for 3 years. I could see having to take the driving test again to get rid of your N if you had gotten into an accident, but why must we go back and pay to take a test to see if we can drive if we’ve been driving for 3 years already with a clean slate. Why not just upgrade our licenses to Class 5 after the two years are up? Because they want the money.

Kids who drive stupidly aren’t going to be discouraged by having to display an N on the backs of their cars. It isn’t going to change anything, except for how long it takes everyone to get their licenses. Having your Class 5 license opens you up to a lot of other jobs that without it you can not apply to. The government is taking these things away from everyone, by trying to penalise people who don’t care if they are penalised. I don’t see the point.

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  1. Sam

    On January 9, 2008 at 4:34 pm


    i hear you. im in an even worse boat than you. i havent gotten my L yet and i’m 18! the whole lengthened process just makes me less and less eager to go and get my license, until finally now i realize im two years behind and i have another three before i can finally be an equal. i’ve just got out of high school, but now if i want to be on par with other drivers, im going to have to wait till im 21! ridiculous!

  2. Matt

    On January 19, 2008 at 11:57 pm


    Doctors, lawyers, judges, police officers, and even ICBC can make mistakes. Its human nature. If they want to improve the road safety and at the same time stop crime everywhere. Then lets try being a little more intelligent. We are Canadians. Were supposed to be known as the nicest people on Earth cause we are so inviting and friendly to everybody we meet. Our mothers and fathers, grandmothers and grandfathers grew up on these beliefs. But somewhere along the way we became selfish. We started taking everything in life for granted and stopped being thankful for what we already had. Our children then grew up and stopped respecting others. They went out into the world with no knowledge of finances, consequence, or values and beliefs. As a result the Youth of this generation have become lost. They don’t no longer have the values and beliefs that older generations possess. And Punishing the younger youth isn’t going to make them see ICBC or anybody that supports them in any positive light. SO who is to blame? ICBC? The Youth who are only acting on the values and beliefs that they have learned from there Family and Friends? I believe it is the lack of parenting in this world that has lead to so much crime in today’s world. So I want you think about something. Do you think other countries like Japan have such low crime rates because they have such strict laws? No. Canada is in the Top 10 countries with the highest crime rates. So why is this? It’s because people in Japan raise there kids on such strict values and beliefs at a young age so that they will not disobey the law. Sure the Law does have a small influence on the population because the laws threaten the parents and the parents fear for there children. So they educate there kids at a young age on values and beliefs that will only improve there qualities of life. These values and beliefs are what keep the younger generations on a focused track. These values and beliefs are what stop them from committing crimes. The problem with Canada and British Columbia is that we lack to teach our kids the values and beliefs to survive in the world of today. Sure some parents have educated there kids right. But most parents dont educate there kids right on the right values and beliefs. Even ICBC’s employees have kids. Are there kids following the law? Most likely, because ICBC employees make it there first priority to ensure that there kids recieve the values and beliefs that respect the law. Some other families do this aswell. Most religions also do this. But so many kids get out into the world and experience this kind of extreme law enforcement for the first time and have no awareness of its capabilities. It’s like sending a young boy to Juno Beach with no army training at all. He’ll walk right into a trap and die. Not even knowing what happened. Same thing applies to the generation following the laws of ICBC. There walking right into a trap. And ICBC thinks that they have to sharpen the laws more to stop crime from happening. But thats not the intelligent way to look at it. The more intelligent route is to start educating our children on not only the laws of the road but the laws of mankind. Most parents will tell there kids that killing something such as an insect, a small animal is a crime and they imprint that belief brutally into there childs mind. Most of us have learned this belief at a young age and as a result not to many people will kill another person. So lets get started on better parenting. A young driver isn’t going to drink and drive if his/her parents have given that child the values and beliefs that say Alcohol and vehicles dont mix. If a child heres that enough growing up and is traumatized by it at a young age then they’ll never drink and drive. Thats how we learn our fears and strengths. And that applies to everything including fear of spiders, fear of debt, fear of the law. Parenting should be a part of a students school curriculum. It has been proven that children will do better in school if they are rewarded for there accomplishments instead of punished for there failures. And sometimes people wont even link fear of something to the right thing. Like when a driver recieves a ticket they could link pain to driving. But most people end up linking pain to the Person and organization giving the ticket. Better parenting is the only solution. Better parenting would stop murders, drinking and driving, robberies, rapes, armed thefts, discrimination, racism, stereotyping, bullying, fighting, Anything you can manifest as a crime in your mind could be prevented if we raised children with the right beliefs to succeed in life. If you told a child to always respect there elders they’d respect there elders. Especially if you gave them a reason why they need to respect there elders. If you tell a child to respect ICBC, the police, and the law. And told them why at a young age. Then they’d almost certainly respect the law, police officers, and ICBC. So help me in my quest to change the world. Cause I dont blame ICBC for everything. Cause we as a society have kind of forced them into this situation. And as a result they have had to force us into a difficult situation to. So who will make the first move? Who will help me ensure a future for mankind?

  3. Del

    On March 8, 2008 at 9:50 pm


    Yeah. Isn’t it sad they will let us go off to war in Afganistan and risk our lives before they’ll let us have two passengers in our own cars. Like come on. Being in a vehicle while getting shot at isn’t safer then driving on a road with 18 year olds with their full driving permits.

  4. Matt

    On March 11, 2008 at 3:46 pm


    This message pertains to “The Truth”. That actually a good idea to leave BC. Cause I’m currently finishing my Pharmacy Program. Meaning I’m going to be a pharmacist. Perfect! ICBC just found a a good reason to drive Doctors, lawyers, and Pharmacists from ever wanting to work in BC. And you wonder why there is such a shortage of doctors, and even workers for that matter in BC. Cause in order to get a most jobs in BC your need a class 5 drivers license. And you need to have your own transportation. Why would I want to live in a province where I am discriminated against cause of my age? WHen I can go south into the states and get my full drivers license in 6 months with no restrictions and work for equal if not a higher wage in better weather, and a driving system that actually makes sense! Humans are designed to make mistakes. And what your going to see and are already seeing is not a way for ICBC to save money but there new system is actually costing the Government and Public more money! Cause by establishing these new driving rules it causes more drivers with there class 7 ans 5 licenses to debate there tickets cause they have no choice. If they dont dispute there tickets then they’ll lose there licenses and cant get to there jobs, school, sources of stimulation. Now who do you think pays for the trial hearings that take place cause of tickets? The public tax dollars pay for the court trials and disputes. SO your money from your taxes is going to pay for the tickets getting disputed in court. So now the courts are overwhelmed, ICBC is overwhelmed with disputes, tax dollars rise, you cant get a trial for almost a year. Meanwhile your sitting at home wondering where all your money is going to. When in fact 50% of your wages are going into taxes to pay for my court hearing. Thanks by the way! And all of this happens cause of the new rules put in place by ICBC. It affects us all even if we dont want it to. Welcome to British Columbia. Take a number.

  5. Marti

    On July 14, 2008 at 8:20 pm


    I have a different issue at hand. I have had the N for 10 years now. I refuse to go for a road test because it is a huge money grabber and frankly it is a waist of my time. Not only have I been driving in Canada, particularly BC, for 10 years, I have driven all over the world, including US and Europe. Yet, I still have to display N because, apparently, I am a new driver. So, my question is when do you become an experienced driver? Just because I do a road test with a biased examiner, that may have less experience than me, this will make me an experienced driver? This totally makes no sense. I tried to do a driver’s test within my first 5 years of my Class 7 licence, but I did not pass because I was driving “too fast”. I may have gone 2 km above the speed limit at certain times during my test but not constantly (I know this for a fact because the examiner warned me about speed couple of times). Obviously, I do not constantly stare at the speedometer while I am driving because I think there are far more important things to watch out for while driving. This is why I refuse to take another road exam and feed the government money. I pay enough in taxes as it is. Talking to other people, they always fail you the first time you take the Graduated licensing test (to get rid of your N). Well, I am not prepared to pay $200 to get a class 5 license. I love driving in Europe, esp. Germany, because all the drivers follow the rules. Maybe it has to do with the fact that when they first learn to drive they all have to go to a driving school for a year before they get a driver’s license.

  6. ISAC

    On August 18, 2008 at 10:39 pm


    how can i clean 20 points in my driver License

  7. kim

    On August 22, 2008 at 8:26 pm


    at least you guys get a car to drive. i got my L when i was 16, ended up renewing it because my parents never took me out driving and i had no job meaning no money to pay for driving school, so at 18 i took my motorcycle L test as well (a total spur of the moment btw, in which i passed) and my car test. a YEAR later i finally took my motorcycle skills test through a course (which i paid with student loans) but this meant i was able to drive by myself..if i had a bike that is. ONE YEAR later i bought a motorcycle and was drivin around with my L. that’s all i needed to get around to work. why drive your friends around when they can drive you! anyhoo, i took my road test for my motorcycle L and now have a Class 8 (N) and a Class 7L (L). I found the loophole in this system. so now i have an L and an N. BEAT THAT!

    ps- when i finally go take my N for my car, hopefully soon, i’ll still have to have it for 2 years. in addition to my Class 8 motorcycle N. so…im 20 now..and will probably be 23 when i have my FULL license. but its ok, i dont have any friends anyway hahah.

    pps- i have no discount with ICBC insurance so i pay a full $152/mo for 6 months. on a 250. go figure.

  8. oldguy

    On December 17, 2008 at 1:36 am


    You can evade the lengthy BC graduated licensing by moving to Washington State for two years or so and acquiring a license there. When you return, you can exchange the WA license for the BC equivalent without further testing.

  9. hey asshole

    On January 8, 2009 at 11:26 am


    your an idiot

  10. Ex-Victoria

    On January 8, 2009 at 11:10 pm


    I did the WA thing myself. Thing is,I ain’t coming back.ICBC can kiss my bare bottom,and slobber.

  11. Molly

    On January 30, 2009 at 1:50 am


    Oh my god your all cry babies…ICBC isn’t to blame its statistically proven young drivers can be a hazard on the road, same for seniors and apparently females, however, ICBC has chosen to put a system in place to identify the youth for their lack of driving experience, or you can look at it like I do ‘lack of time paid in’. The sad part is Graduated Licensing has discouraged some from getting their Licence and others from completing the Graduated Licensing program. Which for the record I completed and can share in all the ranting but won’t because I also see the benefit in the program now that I have completed it.

    As for the person who wrote that they have their ‘N’ License after 10 years, you need to buck up and ‘get it done’ because apparently there is a new rule in the works that it’s going to force people like you to complete the program.

  12. NAT

    On February 1, 2009 at 4:06 pm


    I deffiently agree with what Molly wrote. There are reasons for rules…just like there are reasons for police officers and road signs. If we did not have any of these things in place think about all the chaos.

  13. Class 5 Nightmare....Orz

    On February 3, 2009 at 8:02 pm


    Question…
    I have a class 7N which is expired at least 6 months now.
    Im planning on renewing it once I go back to BC.
    But is class7N renewable or do they just renew class5 license?

    my driving class coach also says class 7 is no different than class 5 except that class 7 has less penalty points. but still…class 7 just doesnt isnt as \”appealing\” as class5…

    please kindly clarify my confusions. thanks!

  14. stelsofroni@Gmail.com

    On February 20, 2009 at 2:04 am


    My BC DL is a 5*****
    What kind of vehicles can I drive?

  15. Austen Wodehouse

    On February 21, 2009 at 10:51 am


    Re Class 5 Nightmare’s question:
    I know that you can renew class 7 licenses if they haven’t expired,I’ve done it; however, I am not sure if you can if they have expired.
    Class 5 and Class 7n rules are different, otherwise there would be no incentive to upgrade. Class 7 liceses limit the number of people allowed with you in the care who are under 25 without a class 5 license (they would qualify as your coach/co-pilot) to 1 unless they are your siblings or parents in which case you can have as many as you have seatbelts for. Also, you shouldn’t be drinking and driving anyhow but with a class 7 you can’t have drinken anything not even a glass of wine/ pint of beer with dinner and get behind the wheel where as with the class 5 if you have one and you are stopped by the cops and don’t blow over the limit you are fine.

    hope that helps.

  16. Spenny

    On February 21, 2009 at 9:37 pm


    Whoever wrote this article is my hero. The whole Graduated Licensing Program is a joke. I’m taking my N test this coming Wednesday. While I’m happy to be able to drive my own car, I’m not happy with the $110 fee for the test and license (if I pass for the first time), and the one passenger limit. I read once that a few provinces (Saskachewan, Ontario) have a two-stage N. The first year is much like our N , one passenger. But for the second year, you are allowed to carry as many passengers as there are seatbelts, the only restriction being no alcohol in your system. This would be much more practical for BC, especially the Fraser Valley. If we were allowed to carpool to school and work, we could conserve gasoline, cut emissions, and make our roads greener. But thanks to careless 18-year-old idiots driving their rich dad’s sports car, we have the N.

  17. Anne

    On February 24, 2009 at 3:55 am


    I can relate to Kim in a way. I got my L in june and didn’t start driving untill December because my parents keep passing the buck around on who haaaad to teach me. Then when I finally started driving It would be 1 to 2 month before I drove again I wasn’t getting anywhere. I know I need to drive more often to improve but my parents are sick of the whole thing,they don’t have the time and spending that kind of money on driving school is not an option. It’s almost two years now of passing back and forth from one parent who breaks every rule in the book and the other who makes you feel like crap for taking a second of her time . They have made me hate driving but I rilly want a job For the last year and a half I have a job lined up but no way to get there of course. I don’t even know how I’ll be able to pay the insurance cost for a work vehicle other than to lie and say it’s not for work. I’ve all most got 60 hours and i’m wondering if I should just go for it if I fail I fail if I pass I pass even though I don’t think i’ll pass. With a car were the steering is wearing out to a point where you can’t shoulder check on the highway and be safe at the same time,I’m wondering if the car will last until my test to be honest. or should I wait until I know I can pass? Whenever that will be? Maybe never? What do you think?

  18. Anne

    On February 24, 2009 at 4:02 am


    P.S. I do not know why it is doing this thing.

  19. idiots

    On March 5, 2009 at 11:41 pm


    The “n” and “L” are displayed also as a tool to inform other drivers these are new drivers.Last sunday I was behind an”L” and i knew that cause i saw the L so i was extra careful and used my signals when i pass safely.
    You can complain about ICBC I bet you complain about everything.My son was caught yesterday sitting with his friends at lunchtime at school sitting in one kids car smoking pot,these kids know to much.stop whinning

  20. Richard

    On March 7, 2009 at 9:08 pm


    Personally I dont mind the program. But i do agree it has faults. I had just passed my Novice test on the 5th I had to go 3 times. And although it was 35$ each time. just before the 3rd time i went I took 4 driving lessons (at 100$ a piece) Which made me more confident. But the driver examiners are way too biased (one way or the other) my last one was helping me actually! although i dont mind it seems unfair to people who actually cant drive well.

  21. bobba patt

    On March 26, 2009 at 7:55 pm


    ya im tired of paying high insurance for kids who like to drik and drive and smack up cars,,,,,,drag race………..im at 45 discount and still pay 2k a year and have never had a accedent …how is that fair

  22. annoyed

    On March 31, 2009 at 1:04 am


    What happened to L for 6 months and N for a year, just because people are stupid and make bad decisions it doesn’t mean everyone else should suffer! There is apparently a rumor going around saying that we will soon need to have out L for TWO years, thats complete bull. I completely agree that you need to have lots of experience to call yourself a driver, but maybe if the idiot in the car during the N test would be a little more stick as they are in certain cities then not so many reckless MORONS would be on the road. It’s stupid, and a waste of time for the most part.Also in Calgary you get your license at 14. What is that ? it makes me annoyed how the government is taking over our lives, set limits for yourselves the no one else would have to. Limo license, Bike license and car license it took forever! I am finally 21 and I can’t even teach my own little 16 year old sister to drive. The rules were bad to begin with in ‘05 and they are going to get much worse!

  23. annoyed

    On March 31, 2009 at 1:06 am


    **Strict

  24. hmmm...

    On April 7, 2009 at 10:53 pm


    Well I am going to have to agree with most people about how the system is getting way too ridiculous.
    I recently got my N and I don’t like admitting this but I don’t follow the rule of driving with the correct amount of people. It’s ridiculous N drivers should be allowed more people, we’re the most likely age group to have more people in the car as well. Think of it this way: carpooling would make our world a much greener place. Say I live 20 mins from my school and there are 4 other people who live on my street or on my way to school. Imagine that’s at least 3 different cars that would be driven when you could have just 1? Insane really.
    I totally get the no alcohol one, that’s a given. But increased insurance is really not fair, we shouldn’t have to pay higher rates until we’ve actually been in an accident.
    Also I wouldn’t like mentioning that there’s so many times that I’m on the road and I can’t believe the morons that are on the road with me, and guess what they don’t have an N or and L. Go figure. I don’t mind putting up the N or the L and I always cut them some slack. Yet when I was doing the Drivewise program and had my L up it seemed so many people wouldn’t cut me any slack, instead they all ended up riding my ass. what is that about?
    I also agree that the amount of time it takes a person to get their full license is way too long, it does not take you that long to become a compitent driver.

  25. Me

    On April 15, 2009 at 2:46 pm


    My N magnets keep getting ripped off….what a joke!!

  26. Unknown

    On May 2, 2009 at 7:10 pm


    Stop Wineing and Just deal with it, go out and get better at driving, or spend your time doing something else other then complaining about these fair rules. So what, theres nothing you can do to change that, suck it up people.

  27. mike

    On May 18, 2009 at 2:08 am


    It’s even worse now that people are loosing there jobs.
    think about it if you were a driving instructor wouldn’t you be more strict?
    you fail them they come back, your never out of work,your never out of a job.
    I thought that you have 15 mistake limit, you go over, you fail. thats what I have all ways heard.
    I take the test, I find out that all it takes is 3 mistakes on a right/left turn you fail.

  28. Annemarie

    On May 18, 2009 at 3:07 am


    So my story.
    I am in the ICBC waiting room, there are two other teens waiting for instructors also.
    A (male) Instructor comes out from the back, calls out Dunken. teen gets up, the instructor shakes his hand, says hi, how you doing BIG grin on the instructors face also he acknowledged the parents sitting there.
    The next (male) instructor comes out same thing happens calls out first name so on and so forth.
    Then MY (female) instructor comes out, calls out my last name, looks at me (like as if I’m a slug), says her name, walks out the door. NO hi NO smile NO hand shake NO first name NO how you doing? NO acknowledgment to parent.
    I think it is an easy guess that I failed. I am also very sure that my brother had one of those first instructors and from what my brother has said he did wrong, I can not believe he passed!
    It is easy to say go out and get better at driving but when your relying on your parents having the time to copilot, face it, it just does not happen.
    I think the program is more up to luck than anything else you can have all the skill, judgement and confidence in the world and be a great driver.
    but you/someone can find something wrong every time if you look hard enough.

  29. Emily Diken

    On May 18, 2009 at 3:14 am


    Stopped at a red light kid runs out from the car behind me takes my L
    If your going to steal at least have the decency to wait until I have parked and left it on the vehicle!!!

  30. Julie

    On May 22, 2009 at 1:53 pm


    I hate the GLP! I got my licence when I was 16. Never took the road test until I was 20 so I had to renew my licence (added cost) then take the road test where I had to pay for a new licence (another added cost) I have had my N for Three years now, have never had a ticket, or even been stopped by the police up until a month ago when I got a ticket for NOT DISPLAYING THAT STUPID N! $109. Crappy thing is that I have had my class 5 test sched. in a couple weeks from the date the tix. was issued. So today I am going in to get rid of my N. Of course after I pay the 109.00 fine and 50 to take the test. Not to mention the other 15-17 it costs for a new fancy licence. What Really gets me though is How the Gov. could pass a law stating you have to be 25 years old to supervise. Im 24. could have been a class five driver a year ago. With no record besides the stupid N thing, I think I should be allowed to supervise. How can it be determined that 25 year olds are more responsible then an 18 year old. Isnt that age discrimination? To say you pretty much cannot be a responsible driver until you are 25? How is that right?

  31. Mike

    On May 24, 2009 at 8:50 pm


    I’m originally from Germany and had no trouble getting my Class 5 license here. 7 years ago I took part in an exchange program so I had a Texas drivers license which was actually expired (a few weeks only though). I could have exchanged my German drivers license for a BC one but I am glad they accepted my old Texas license. If I return to Europe I don’t want pay thousands of dollars again and do all the courses and stuff to get the license for all the classes (basically all except for motorbikes and buses) again! Talking about costs: For the class 5 license you pay at least $2000 in Germany!
    In Texas it cost me 25 bucks! All I had to do was passing the test (studying the booklet the day before was good enough) and drive for about 20 minutes! That was it! I had a full license! I just read that they changed something after September 11 (happened when I was there). Now the license for people who live in the States temporarily is only valid for the time they live in the USA. So I was lucky.
    But my wife has to get her BC license so that’s gonna be a pain in the ass now!

  32. Rylan

    On May 26, 2009 at 3:28 am


    okay i used to live in Alberta when i was 13 and moved 2 weeks before my 14th birthday and in alberta you can get your learners when you are 14 and i read the “book” before i found out i was moving.. i have a car and i live in BC… I have a car but i CANNOT DRIVE IT.. its stupid… i need a learners :(

  33. Adam

    On May 27, 2009 at 4:23 am


    I might be moving to BC for a job, I live in Ontario right now and have a full G license (aka Class 5 in BC), but I haven’t had it for 2 years so it won’t be transferable, that is BS! Even the Ontario GLP isn’t as bad as in BC. Ontario’s is between 1y8mo and 2yr total.

  34. James

    On July 9, 2009 at 12:55 pm


    Couldn’t agree more.

    A police officers stopped me for apparently not wearign a seatbelt, but I was wearign a seatbelt. He just saw three young people in the car and decided to stop us without probably cause. I had 2 passenger, one was family, but he still gave me a ticket anyway for violation of the 1 passenger rule when you drive with the “N”. Famiyl is exempt though it old him, he said take it up with ICBC. I phoned them up, and he never should have given me a ticket. He also gave me a seatbelt ticket even thought I was wearign a ticket. All driving with the “N” does it make it easier for the police to discriminate against you and find bulls^^t reasons to pull people over.

  35. James

    On July 9, 2009 at 1:00 pm


    Spelling errors corrected.

    A police officer stopped the other day me for not wearing a seatbelt, but I was wearing a seatbelt!! He just saw the “N” sign and three young people in the car and decided to stop us without probable cause. I had 2 passengers, one was family, other wasn’t, but the cop still gave me a ticket anyway for violation of the 1 passenger rule when you drive with the “N”. Family is exempt though i told him, he said take it up with ICBC. He probably didn’t even know what the word “exempt” was, english wasn’t his first language.

    I phoned ICBC up, and they agreed, family is exempt, and the cop never should have given me a ticket. The dirty cop also gave me a seat belt ticket even though I was wearing a seat belt!!! his quotas must be low.

    All driving with the “N” does it make it easier for the police to discriminate against you and find bulls^^t reasons to pull people over and harass them.

    The elongated “N” period just makes me despise cops who take advantage of it to meet their quotas..

  36. screwed

    On November 6, 2009 at 3:31 am


    In a busy street in Victoria, I pass a cop who already has his lights flashing, ready for his next victim. I pass him, he pulls up behind me and pulls me over. He was just waiting to pull someone over.

    I get 3 tickets.

    1) Not displaying my N
    2) Having too many ppl in the car -
    i explained i was carpooling and was for my practicum and i was the only one that had a car. Then the guy in the back told me he was over 30 and had his full license. Still the cop issued me the ticket.
    3) Not changing my address within 12 days. It was 30 days since i moved. ridiculous .

    I looked back in my rear view mirror, only to see him and his colleague laughing. Sometimes i wonder if they get commission lol.
    (i have had good experiences with cops )

    I dont see the ‘N’ system protecting and benefiting drivers. Maybe new N drivers could display their N up to a certain amount of months?

    BC has the lowest minimum wage in ALL of Canada. But tickets ( and the cost of everything basically) is continually increasing.

    Maybe the government should of made the people enforcing the rules, experience it themselves :)

  37. Roni

    On February 26, 2010 at 1:16 am


    Molly, and all of those who don’t believe ICBC is to blame, seriously they are money suckers and soul suckers, geez get it right

  38. Roni

    On February 26, 2010 at 1:19 am


    They force us to drive or take the bus, the bus takes $20 from Coquitlam to Vancouver and back and insurance is sky-rocketing, what the hell are we supposed to do?

  39. P

    On May 11, 2010 at 1:19 pm


    I am moving to Canada and in my country you can get a license-without all this drama- when you are 18. and I know that with an international driver’s license I can only drive for 6 months, is it so lame to go apply for my L at this age? I don’t wanna look like a loser… .

  40. Sara

    On May 31, 2010 at 4:04 am


    It really is ridiculous. I failed my N test the first time because my teacher was an asshole, basically. I went back two weeks later, with another instructor and I passed with NO mistakes on my exam sheet. The whole thing is a scam. I agree with the no alcohol blood content and the fact that we need to display our N’s but we could at least have 2 passengers. Two years is way too long. I’ll be a grandma before I can drive with two of my friends..

  41. JR

    On September 24, 2010 at 3:23 pm


    It is a shame that people posting in response to this article believe that changing the system is impossible and we should just “suck it up.” I live in a democratic country, using our voice is the only way to get things done. Being a sheep led through government hoops is not who I want to be. Due to the GLP I have decided to take up motorcycling in order to get from home to school and work. For me there is no alternative. Motorcycles are by far the most practical legal form of transportation for youth. After a month at the L stage one can take their skills test and ride alone. I have come to accept that I will never have a BC driver’s license. I am off to university and I refuse to wait another 2 and a half years to get my license. The GLP is a dysfunctional system: I am a safer rider and driver than most people twice my age, yet I all I recieve are high insurance costs and fees. This legally mandated prejudice is not democratic. I will go to college in the states and get my license there. The ICBC monopoly can do what it wants, but I’m leaving.

  42. AdaminNC

    On January 2, 2011 at 1:04 pm


    Thank god I moved to the USA where Government is still held in check by elected authority. I have my Canadian citizenship still and it saddens me to see society north of the border so obediant to a parental government that can make and pass laws as it sees fit for the “benefit and welfare of its citizens”.

  43. Mike Peltzer

    On February 9, 2011 at 4:03 pm


    I got my L last May and my license said I can take my N test august 3rd of 2010, three months later. I don’t know of they made a mistake, or it could be because I used to live in Idaho and had my learners there and it’s just being carried over. Any thoughts?

  44. Jack Smith

    On April 4, 2011 at 10:08 am


    I got my learners in Alberta 3 months ago, but i’m moving to Victoria this summer, so it won’t even matter. I’ll get my bc L when my friends get their Alberta licence, and even though it’s still a graduated program, they can have as many people in the vehicle as they want, ICBC is crazy and they need to just relax the rules.

  45. John

    On May 22, 2011 at 6:08 pm


    can you lose your N licence for a seatbealt ticket

  46. Chris

    On January 11, 2012 at 3:46 am


    I’ve had my novice licence for some time now. I have failed several time now for bullshit reasons and I am so fed up with ICBC and their crooked ass road tests. Last time I went was a fucking joke. Sitting there waiting to take my test I watch all the male examiners in their mid 30s walk off with all the hot 19 year old girls, flirting and chatting them up (you know they passed). My turn comes up and out comes the most sex deprived anal retentive bitch they can throw at me. Fails me for horseshit reasons (so ICBC can get another 50 bucks out of me). I had this N for so fucking long and everyone tells me I should just get it done. How the fuck am I supposed to do that when I’m being treated like a black man on trial with an all white jury? I hate ICBC I hate our government and I hate this whole fucking province and all it’s anal retentive laws.

  47. Magus

    On January 11, 2012 at 8:29 pm


    Ha ha ha, been driving for 13 years now without a full licence and I speed and drive drunk all the time without consequence. Guess God likes me better than all you ICBC and government shitbags. HAHAHA powers beyond your comprehension Douchebags……

  48. Doris

    On March 3, 2012 at 5:28 pm


    i leve in germany, and my license expires next week, but i need the license so can go to work, more flexilby without chasing the trining and bus with all husstle, it frustrating to pass a german license, the driving socks from you so is examiner, i want to know if there is other means to drive a car without this expensive drivers license

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