Even from a religious stand point I don’t see why it is considered to be such an odious thing. God is concerned with your motives and your heart. So if you do believe in God, just ask yourself why you want to do it and make sure that your motives are pure. If you are doing it to achieve “spiritual enlightenment” as opposed to using prayer and the reading of your religion’s scripture, then it might be something to worry about. But again, I personally don’t believe in a god or devil or anything of the sort, so I say if you feel that you will enjoy lucid dreaming then by all means, go enjoy yourself.

Take care of each other everyone and thank you for your time.

My friend felt scared, he felt evil presence and doomed for his spirit. While in this dream. And he isn’t even a spiritual person. But he knows he enough to know what is ‘good’ and what is ‘evil’. Just keep that in mind next time you lucid dream.

Like everything in this world, God gave us our bodies/minds and we do have “sin” in us and the devil always tempting us. We have “free will” to choose between evil and good. For the most part we are fooled to believe “evil is good” in most cases.

For example “sex” is sometimes done in a sinful way. Their are beliefs in some satanic cults that women should give them selves to at least one man in exchange for money or something valuable (a way of showing love). Not many people know this is done in satanic cults and recognize it as “prostitution”. While the media makes it seem normal by calling it promiscuous or one night stands (fooled). Where as Christians view sex as a way of expressing love to your loved one(husband/wife), becoming “one” and of course reproduction.

So dreaming like you mentioned in the bible was used for good and is also a normal phase our brain goes into while sleeping. Some people try and call out the dead while lucid dreaming. I would consider this “evil” even if they are unaware of this. Because like you said lucid dreaming is a very spiritual experience. And demons are considered spiritual beings. In the bible it states the dead don’t come back. But demons take formation of your dead loved ones in order to fool you and possibly manipulate you. So calling out to the dead while lucid dreaming or if your doing some form of wicca or occult practice, calling out knowingly to the spirits would be considered “evil”. Because your trying to connect your spirit with something unworldly that wants to use you for evil purposes by making you think your using them. Why do they want to use us? Well obviously they our powerless to roam the world they way we do and cause harm.

I actually had a friend that was lucid dreaming (non christian) and he told me he went to into sleep paralysis and instead of trying to get out of it, he just allowed it to continue. He notice a dark shadow figure coming towards him. It started to grab his spirit and pull it out of his body. He was frightened and tried to awake. But it was very difficult and basically had to fight of this dark shadow trying to take his spirit away. And this person is not spiritual at all but some how he knew what was going on.

Anyway I can go on and on about experiences I’ve herd and had personally and stories about people who did witch craft in their awaken life in contact with evil spirits (that are now Christians). Its a very complex world. What we know is we have an “awaken physical world” and we have the “spiritual world” in one and we have exits and entrances to both. What we do with them is up to us. It could be harmless or dangerous.

I don’t know whether it is occult or not but it certainly doesn’t seem perfectly safe to me, either. Neither is crossing the street. Why it is possible and what can truly be achieved by inducing this state? I decided to cool it after becoming somewhat disturbed and it wasn’t difficult at all. Hard to start up again, though. One must be able to truly relax with no fear. It is extremely life-changing, but I find I can neither ignore it nor fully embrace it at this time.

Edgar Cayce, a fervent Christian, would induce a hypnagogic state to answer questions about the future and to diagnose illnesses. The treatments he would prescribe in this state actually helped to heal others of terrible afflictions.
His idea of ‘Oneness’ is certainly an appealing hypothesis of universal truth and God.(An idea that I find easy comfort with.) This view on religion, I believe, was also shared by C.S. Lewis.

Pondering this, I remember what Christ said about how a divided house cannot stand. Evil can not do good, and good cannot do evil. How then can it be truly an occult thing to hypnotize…lucid dream…or explore the sub-conscious. Truthfully, ’sub-conscious’ is just a term we use to describe something that we possibly can’t and surely don’t fully understand. The term certainly doesn’t well describe the 90 percent (+ or -) part of our brains that we don’t use. God gave it to us so it must be something we’re intended to have.

In my opinion, dreams might possibly be the entire basis of religion.(Though I personally doubt the totality of this idea). Overcoming fear is a part of life. That doesn’t mean that we should jump off a cliff just to confront our fear of dying. We are explorers by nature. But, from my experiences,(not just with lucid dreaming) I think caution/patience is certainly in order.

Malachi…I couldn’t understand what you were really saying but it sounded kinda scarey. Sounds like you may have dabbed into some funky stuff. Hopefully it’s not like that for all.

I’ve been a dreamer my entire life. I’ve have only a couple of semi-lucid dreams that I can think of and they were not fun. One was where I was frozen and couldn’t wake myself out of the dream and it felt like something demonic was pulling me outta my bed. I say semi lucid because I knew enough to bable off a scripture that I didn’t even know in my waking life and it released me. Crazy thing is when I woke up, my arm and a small portion of my body was hanging off the bed…SPOOKY!

I once had an out-of-body experience as well. Someone really close to me died of an anuerism and I couldn’t help but think over and over again what they must have been feeling before they died. One night, while either falling off or I had already fallen to sleep, I felt my Spirit/Soul leaving my body hovering above my bed near the ceiling. I got really scared as I had no control and tried to move to nudge my husband so he could wake me up but once again I was frozen however, everything came back but I woke up pretty scared.

A few months ago my husband had a heart attack, stroke, lost function of his kidneys, went blind, lost his memory and his blood pressure was 253/154 which was the initial cause of all his preceeding ailments.

My husband said he woke up, sitting in his room and a voice told him he was dead. He said he immediately knew it was God and asked how he had died. God told him he had died of a heart attack long before we even knew he’d had one. My husband then tells God that he needs to take care of me (the loving wife, LOL!) and God tells him that he will take care of me. My husband said a peace came over him and he was okay with passing on but then woke up in the hospital.

Moral of the story…Death is not what we’ve been told by people who have never died.

As for the lucid dreaming, I’ve had them but have never really focused on them. I have been praying and asking God to reveal himself to me in this way if it’s in his will. I’ll see what happens.

Oh yeah, My husband had a miraculous recovery and is doing fine! Praise His Holy Name!

What have you found? Dangerous or not? Dark or light? Evil? Agape? What is the difference? Delve deeper. For me. For us.

My dis/ability to tell the real from th’occult, reality from dream, biblical/spiritual from esoteric/gnostic/scriptual has become a symbolic journey through paranoid examinations and obsessive explications – during which my transition between waking and sleeping has become a guess; my mind has become lost between sea-creature plants and androgynous beings amongst oceanic roll-lulling-crashing and car-hum-drum-engine-numbing motions, to projected screens of film-non-realities, and waking/breathing, bookcase abnormalities.

To dream or not dream,
that is the Damned Question.
Whether ’tis nobler of
the mind
to sleep…

And Dream?