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The Decline of the American Empire 2

The role that war has played in America’s decline.

Vietnam was a cold war game played for keeps. On one hand it “culled” the population. Those who were bright enough to get into college could gain an exemption which they could spin until they were beyond the draftable age. As they were intelligent enough to get into college, bright enough to stay in college, they were worth preserving.

Those who weren’t bright but had connections could, with some political help, get into the “Reserves” so they could play soldier on weekends and avoid being lumped in with those who “dodged” the draft.

During the years of Vietnam those most likely to join gangs or become involved in crime were shipped off to die in a forsaken place. This raised the standard of living for those who remained in America.

When the draftees returned, some were able to get into University or a good job, (often the Police Force) while others were abandoned to the street.

With the Draft abolished, only those who wished to join the military did so. Hence the function of War as a “culling” process was removed.

However, the significance of Vietnam goes beyond American shores. It was the first war America lost. (Korea was not so much a war as a stop gap to prevent a mini-depression when all the WWII veterans returned home en masse).  Vietnam was the first war in which the propaganda machine failed.

Those who protested the War in Vietnam gained much of their information from ‘unofficial sources’, sources which twenty years later were accepted as truthful contra the American Government.

It was nearly thirty years after the War in Vietnam that the Government again tried to foist an unjust war on the American People. Using lies, inferring greater danger than existed, twisting information, America was able to push into Iraq. This action has caused America to lose as much as, if not more than, the credibility it sacrificed in Vietnam. With an all volunteer military, America avoids major protest, after all, everyone who is sent to Iraq wanted to go. (This of course belies the reason why many people joined the military).

That there will never be a “winning” in Iraq just as there could never be a victory in Vietnam seems lost on the majority of Americans. The rest of the world, primarily the Islamic world, sets its face against America, pushing just so far, then a bit more, a bit more, knowing that America can not respond. Twenty years ago, the idea Iran was using nuclear power would have had the bombers in the air. Today, due to the fear of response by the Islamic world, America plays with sanctions and hard language.

America can not speak in a loud voice to Saudi Arabia, regardless of what it does because it so needs the trickle of oil. Having invented Arab nations, America is stuck with them, and stuck begging oil. Had America never involved itself in Iraq the oil crisis might not have happened, subsequent terror attacks might not have been attempted, and the economy might be at the level it was when the millennium began.

There is no way to reanimate those who died in Iraq. No way to regain the prestige and power America held. All that can be done is to try to stop the slide.

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  1. deepbluesea

    On May 31, 2008 at 7:30 am


    I agree,”there will never be a winning in Iraq”. Great article!

  2. a fool

    On May 31, 2008 at 11:25 am


    Most wars have a purpose; i.e. independence from a colonial or
    conquering power, retaliation for attack. There is a set purpose.
    There is no purpose in Iraq. America should have never gone in,
    going in, once Saddam was toppled, and the ‘factories’ producing
    weapons of ‘mass destruction’ were destroyed, they should leave.
    Any civil war that follows, is none of their business.

  3. Dan Davis

    On June 5, 2008 at 5:42 pm


    The absence of the draft takes the wind out of protesting sails

  4. R. Tang

    On July 8, 2008 at 3:31 am


    To “A Fool,”

    Agreed. Had George Junior the maturity of George Senior, the plan could have been delimited – knock out Saddam and his regime – demonstrating Will and Power – then get the hell out – demonstrating Maturity, Balance and international Trustworthiness. ie: we didn’t go in for the oil – but to knock out a tyrant.

    Look at the price of oil per barrel in 1997, then 2004, and then yesterday. By ignoring the best option for Middle-East optics, American Interests and economic security have been sacrificed.

    What would have been saner to pay for this crusade is WW II-style rationing. But no, the spiraling prices of oil and fuel are doing that.

    “Mr. Davis”

    I think that diminished wind in the war protest sails you refer to is about to reach gale force. But agreed, not because of the war. And if anything will drive protest harder it will not be the MSM but instead the business press.

    The daily review of deregulated horrors in the Financial Times, The Economist, and the world’s Business and Money Sections makes it unequivocal – continuing the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan was not properly planned, financially managed properly, ever cost-effective, or smart policy. Someone said, DO IT!, and all hell broke lose.

    In the days of Vietnam as more people were directly by the death toll more people said – enough, no more.

    But Vietnam never threatened to bankrupt the US, not compared to the incredible cost of this extravagant jihad, one ostensibly against “Islamists”, more specifically to deny other countries equal access to dwindling oil reserves, [see WW II.] As more people see their leaders want to stay the course despite a slow and undeniable global economic paralysis fewer of them will be content to keep quiet. Can you imagine running a business in a credit freeze?

    As the Bush term of office winds down and the occupation continues more people – from all political directions – will ask themselves Ronald Reagan’s intuitive question about government policy

    - Are we better off than under the last President? And as well ponder

    - Is the country in better shape after Mr. Bush and his policies?

    As the banking system tanks, the automotive sector goes on life support, home owners become bankrupt home losers, the price of food and fuel goes into orbit, all those high paying jobs skitter away off shore, and the occupation of Iraq, Afghanistan (and Iran?) continues for another ten or one hundred years the answer for millions is “Are You Kidding?”

    For those who see America as having turned into ENRONica – the war is only one lit thread in a very deadly fuse. Were it only one problem – occupation of Iraq, or Afghanistan – things could eventually subside. Add all the elements together and you have a perfect storm of combustibles.

  5. a fool

    On July 8, 2008 at 9:09 am


    I strongly believe most people have not recognised the cost of Iraq. Moving away from fossil fuels should be done now with focus
    and purpose so that within the next five years hybrid/electrical/ etc cars proliferate, and nuclear power revisted, so that the amount of oil required from the middle east in 2020 should be less than in 1930; the will and opportunity are there now; America should take advantage of it.

    What I still find so disheartening is the lack of American protest. Clearly the war has no purpose, has no winning, and
    whether the US pulls out of Iraq in 2008 or 2010 or 2015, as
    soon as they do there will be civil war.

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