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		<title>By: Optimus Maximus</title>
		<link>http://socyberty.com/psychology/homosexuality-nature-vs-nurture/comment-page-1/#comment-242363</link>
		<dc:creator>Optimus Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a less than convincing argument.  How about we look at the known mechanics of genetics?

We all inherit genes from our parents.  Whether we have blue eyes or brown eyes depends on the genes we inherit, and whether those genes express a dominant or a recessive trait.

Example, if you inherit two blue eye genes from your parents, you will have blue eyes.  If you inherit either two brown eye genes from your parents, or one blue eye gene and one brown eye gene from each parent, you will have brown eyes, because the brown eye gene is the dominant gene.  To get the recessive blue eyes, you have to have TWO blue eye genes, or the dominant eye color gene will dominate.

Now, let\\\\\\\&#039;s all be realistic and agree that if homosexuality is an inherited trait, it MUST be a recessive trait, because it only occurs in a small percentage of the total population.  I\\\\\\\&#039;ve seen estimates ranging form 3% to 15% for the total occurrence of homosexuality in the general population.  You may argue it\\\\\\\&#039;s larger or smaller, but surely we can all agree it is small enough to say without reservation that it must be a recessive trait if it is an inherited trait.

Now, since I believe the majority of homosexuals do not have children, i.e., do not reproduce, the occurrence of this recessive gene should be decreasing over time, as the major carriers (existing homosexuals) are not passing that gene on to future generations.  This would argue for a decrease in the number of homosexuals over time, due to the decreasing occurrence of the recessive gene in the general population.

This is the reverse of the principle used to \\\\\\\&quot;breed\\\\\\\&quot; selective traits into various lines of livestock.  If you want to increase the occurrence of a particular trait in livestock, you selectively breed a male and female that both exhibit that trait.  If done over several generations, you get a \\\\\\\&quot;type\\\\\\\&quot; of that livestock that generally exhibits the trait for which you have selected. 

Since the majority of homosexuals do not \\\\\\\&quot;breed\\\\\\\&quot;, their traits should not be passed on as an option to succeeding generations.

That homosexuality is more \\\\\\\&quot;common\\\\\\\&quot; today argues directly against the \\\\\\\&quot;genetic\\\\\\\&quot; nature argument, because the opposite effect of what we expect from nature (genetics) is observed.  More frequency, not less frequency.

On the other hand, as homosexuality is more accepted, and in many cases celebrated, argues for homosexuality being a learned response.  Homosexual frequency in the general population can be shown to have ebbed and flowed throughout history as it was more accepted (Ancient Greece) or less accepted (Biblical literature, Ancient Rome, Victorian England, etc.)


Therefore I submit the frequency of homosexuality observed in the general population is exactly what you would expect from the nurture argument and diametrically opposed to what would be expected from the nature argument.

For another example, look to the fact that a large percentage (much larger than the general) of Muslims have homosexual experiences.  This is a response to their religious teachings that women are of lower status than males, and should be regarded as property.  This causes psychological problems for male/female bonding, and leads to homosexual encounters among most males as they attempt to create an \\\\\\\&quot;equality\\\\\\\&quot; relationship bond with other males.

That homosexuality is a learned (nurture) response is undeniable based on real world evidence.  Attempts to make it a nature debate is only the latest PC effort to gain acceptability by its practitioners and their sycophants.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a less than convincing argument.  How about we look at the known mechanics of genetics?</p>
<p>We all inherit genes from our parents.  Whether we have blue eyes or brown eyes depends on the genes we inherit, and whether those genes express a dominant or a recessive trait.</p>
<p>Example, if you inherit two blue eye genes from your parents, you will have blue eyes.  If you inherit either two brown eye genes from your parents, or one blue eye gene and one brown eye gene from each parent, you will have brown eyes, because the brown eye gene is the dominant gene.  To get the recessive blue eyes, you have to have TWO blue eye genes, or the dominant eye color gene will dominate.</p>
<p>Now, let\\\\\\\&#8217;s all be realistic and agree that if homosexuality is an inherited trait, it MUST be a recessive trait, because it only occurs in a small percentage of the total population.  I\\\\\\\&#8217;ve seen estimates ranging form 3% to 15% for the total occurrence of homosexuality in the general population.  You may argue it\\\\\\\&#8217;s larger or smaller, but surely we can all agree it is small enough to say without reservation that it must be a recessive trait if it is an inherited trait.</p>
<p>Now, since I believe the majority of homosexuals do not have children, i.e., do not reproduce, the occurrence of this recessive gene should be decreasing over time, as the major carriers (existing homosexuals) are not passing that gene on to future generations.  This would argue for a decrease in the number of homosexuals over time, due to the decreasing occurrence of the recessive gene in the general population.</p>
<p>This is the reverse of the principle used to \\\\\\\&#8221;breed\\\\\\\&#8221; selective traits into various lines of livestock.  If you want to increase the occurrence of a particular trait in livestock, you selectively breed a male and female that both exhibit that trait.  If done over several generations, you get a \\\\\\\&#8221;type\\\\\\\&#8221; of that livestock that generally exhibits the trait for which you have selected. </p>
<p>Since the majority of homosexuals do not \\\\\\\&#8221;breed\\\\\\\&#8221;, their traits should not be passed on as an option to succeeding generations.</p>
<p>That homosexuality is more \\\\\\\&#8221;common\\\\\\\&#8221; today argues directly against the \\\\\\\&#8221;genetic\\\\\\\&#8221; nature argument, because the opposite effect of what we expect from nature (genetics) is observed.  More frequency, not less frequency.</p>
<p>On the other hand, as homosexuality is more accepted, and in many cases celebrated, argues for homosexuality being a learned response.  Homosexual frequency in the general population can be shown to have ebbed and flowed throughout history as it was more accepted (Ancient Greece) or less accepted (Biblical literature, Ancient Rome, Victorian England, etc.)</p>
<p>Therefore I submit the frequency of homosexuality observed in the general population is exactly what you would expect from the nurture argument and diametrically opposed to what would be expected from the nature argument.</p>
<p>For another example, look to the fact that a large percentage (much larger than the general) of Muslims have homosexual experiences.  This is a response to their religious teachings that women are of lower status than males, and should be regarded as property.  This causes psychological problems for male/female bonding, and leads to homosexual encounters among most males as they attempt to create an \\\\\\\&#8221;equality\\\\\\\&#8221; relationship bond with other males.</p>
<p>That homosexuality is a learned (nurture) response is undeniable based on real world evidence.  Attempts to make it a nature debate is only the latest PC effort to gain acceptability by its practitioners and their sycophants.</p>
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		<title>By: Optimus Maximus</title>
		<link>http://socyberty.com/psychology/homosexuality-nature-vs-nurture/comment-page-1/#comment-242361</link>
		<dc:creator>Optimus Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a less than convincing argument.  How about we look at the known mechanics of genetics?

We all inherit genes from our parents.  Whether we have blue eyes or brown eyes depends on the genes we inherit, and whether those genes express a dominant or a recessive trait.

Example, if you inherit two blue eye genes from your parents, you will have blue eyes.  If you inherit either two brown eye genes from your parents, or one blue eye gene and one brown eye gene from each parent, you will have brown eyes, because the brown eye gene is the dominant gene.  To get the recessive blue eyes, you have to have TWO blue eye genes, or the dominant eye color gene will dominate.

Now, let\\\&#039;s all be realistic and agree that if homosexuality is an inherited trait, it MUST be a recessive trait, because it only occurs in a small percentage of the total population.  I\\\&#039;ve seen estimates ranging form 3% to 15% for the total occurrence of homosexuality in the general population.  You may argue it\\\&#039;s larger or smaller, but surely we can all agree it is small enough to say without reservation that it must be a recessive trait if it is an inherited trait.

Now, since I believe the majority of homosexuals do not have children, i.e., do not reproduce, the occurrence of this recessive gene should be decreasing over time, as the major carriers (existing homosexuals) are not passing that gene on to future generations.  This would argue for a decrease in the number of homosexuals over time, due to the decreasing occurrence of the recessive gene in the general population.

This is the reverse of the principle used to \\\&quot;breed\\\&quot; selective traits into various lines of livestock.  If you want to increase the occurrence of a particular trait in livestock, you selectively breed a male and female that both exhibit that trait.  If done over several generations, you get a \\\&quot;type\\\&quot; of that livestock that generally exhibits the trait for which you have selected. 

Since the majority of homosexuals do not \\\&quot;breed\\\&quot;, their traits should not be passed on as an option to succeeding generations.

That homosexuality is more \\\&quot;common\\\&quot; today argues directly against the \\\&quot;genetic\\\&quot; nature argument, because the opposite effect of what we expect from nature (genetics) is observed.  More frequency, not less frequency.

On the other hand, as homosexuality is more accepted, and in many cases celebrated, argues for homosexuality being a learned response.  Homosexual frequency in the general population can be shown to have ebbed and flowed throughout history as it was more accepted (Ancient Greece) or less accepted (Biblical literature, Ancient Rome, Victorian England, etc.)


Therefore I submit the frequency of homosexuality observed in the general population is exactly what you would expect from the nurture argument and diametrically opposed to what would be expected from the nature argument.

For another example, look to the fact that a large percentage (much larger than the general) of Muslims have homosexual experiences.  This is a response to their religious teachings that women are of lower status than males, and should be regarded as property.  This causes psychological problems for male/female bonding, and leads to homosexual encounters among most males as they attempt to create an \\\&quot;equality\\\&quot; relationship bond with other males.

That homosexuality is a learned (nurture) response is undeniable based on real world evidence.  Attempts to make it a nature debate is only the latest PC effort to gain acceptability by its practitioners and their sycophants.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a less than convincing argument.  How about we look at the known mechanics of genetics?</p>
<p>We all inherit genes from our parents.  Whether we have blue eyes or brown eyes depends on the genes we inherit, and whether those genes express a dominant or a recessive trait.</p>
<p>Example, if you inherit two blue eye genes from your parents, you will have blue eyes.  If you inherit either two brown eye genes from your parents, or one blue eye gene and one brown eye gene from each parent, you will have brown eyes, because the brown eye gene is the dominant gene.  To get the recessive blue eyes, you have to have TWO blue eye genes, or the dominant eye color gene will dominate.</p>
<p>Now, let\\\&#8217;s all be realistic and agree that if homosexuality is an inherited trait, it MUST be a recessive trait, because it only occurs in a small percentage of the total population.  I\\\&#8217;ve seen estimates ranging form 3% to 15% for the total occurrence of homosexuality in the general population.  You may argue it\\\&#8217;s larger or smaller, but surely we can all agree it is small enough to say without reservation that it must be a recessive trait if it is an inherited trait.</p>
<p>Now, since I believe the majority of homosexuals do not have children, i.e., do not reproduce, the occurrence of this recessive gene should be decreasing over time, as the major carriers (existing homosexuals) are not passing that gene on to future generations.  This would argue for a decrease in the number of homosexuals over time, due to the decreasing occurrence of the recessive gene in the general population.</p>
<p>This is the reverse of the principle used to \\\&#8221;breed\\\&#8221; selective traits into various lines of livestock.  If you want to increase the occurrence of a particular trait in livestock, you selectively breed a male and female that both exhibit that trait.  If done over several generations, you get a \\\&#8221;type\\\&#8221; of that livestock that generally exhibits the trait for which you have selected. </p>
<p>Since the majority of homosexuals do not \\\&#8221;breed\\\&#8221;, their traits should not be passed on as an option to succeeding generations.</p>
<p>That homosexuality is more \\\&#8221;common\\\&#8221; today argues directly against the \\\&#8221;genetic\\\&#8221; nature argument, because the opposite effect of what we expect from nature (genetics) is observed.  More frequency, not less frequency.</p>
<p>On the other hand, as homosexuality is more accepted, and in many cases celebrated, argues for homosexuality being a learned response.  Homosexual frequency in the general population can be shown to have ebbed and flowed throughout history as it was more accepted (Ancient Greece) or less accepted (Biblical literature, Ancient Rome, Victorian England, etc.)</p>
<p>Therefore I submit the frequency of homosexuality observed in the general population is exactly what you would expect from the nurture argument and diametrically opposed to what would be expected from the nature argument.</p>
<p>For another example, look to the fact that a large percentage (much larger than the general) of Muslims have homosexual experiences.  This is a response to their religious teachings that women are of lower status than males, and should be regarded as property.  This causes psychological problems for male/female bonding, and leads to homosexual encounters among most males as they attempt to create an \\\&#8221;equality\\\&#8221; relationship bond with other males.</p>
<p>That homosexuality is a learned (nurture) response is undeniable based on real world evidence.  Attempts to make it a nature debate is only the latest PC effort to gain acceptability by its practitioners and their sycophants.</p>
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		<title>By: Optimus Maximus</title>
		<link>http://socyberty.com/psychology/homosexuality-nature-vs-nurture/comment-page-1/#comment-242351</link>
		<dc:creator>Optimus Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a less than convincing argument.  How about we look at the known mechanics of genetics?

We all inherit genes from our parents.  Whether we have blue eyes or brown eyes depends on the genes we inherit, and whether those genes express a dominant or a recessive trait.

Example, if you inherit two blue eye genes from your parents, you will have blue eyes.  If you inherit either two brown eye genes from your parents, or one blue eye gene and one brown eye gene from each parent, you will have brown eyes, because the brown eye gene is the dominant gene.  To get the recessive blue eyes, you have to have TWO blue eye genes, or the dominant eye color gene will dominate.

Now, let\&#039;s all be realistic and agree that if homosexuality is an inherited trait, it MUST be a recessive trait, because it only occurs in a small percentage of the total population.  I\&#039;ve seen estimates ranging form 3% to 15% for the total occurrence of homosexuality in the general population.  You may argue it\&#039;s larger or smaller, but surely we can all agree it is small enough to say without reservation that it must be a recessive trait if it is an inherited trait.

Now, since I believe the majority of homosexuals do not have children, i.e., do not reproduce, the occurrence of this recessive gene should be decreasing over time, as the major carriers (existing homosexuals) are not passing that gene on to future generations.  This would argue for a decrease in the number of homosexuals over time, due to the decreasing occurrence of the recessive gene in the general population.

This is the reverse of the principle used to \&quot;breed\&quot; selective traits into various lines of livestock.  If you want to increase the occurrence of a particular trait in livestock, you selectively breed a male and female that both exhibit that trait.  If done over several generations, you get a \&quot;type\&quot; of that livestock that generally exhibits the trait for which you have selected. 

Since the majority of homosexuals do not \&quot;breed\&quot;, their traits should not be passed on as an option to succeeding generations.

That homosexuality is more \&quot;common\&quot; today argues directly against the \&quot;genetic\&quot; nature argument, because the opposite effect of what we expect from nature (genetics) is observed.  More frequency, not less frequency.

On the other hand, as homosexuality is more accepted, and in many cases celebrated, argues for homosexuality being a learned response.  Homosexual frequency in the general population can be shown to have ebbed and flowed throughout history as it was more accepted (Ancient Greece) or less accepted (Biblical literature, Ancient Rome, Victorian England, etc.)


Therefore I submit the frequency of homosexuality observed in the general population is exactly what you would expect from the nurture argument and diametrically opposed to what would be expected from the nature argument.

For another example, look to the fact that a large percentage (much larger than the general) of Muslims have homosexual experiences.  This is a response to their religious teachings that women are of lower status than males, and should be regarded as property.  This causes psychological problems for male/female bonding, and leads to homosexual encounters among most males as they attempt to create an \&quot;equality\&quot; relationship bond with other males.

That homosexuality is a learned (nurture) response is undeniable based on real world evidence.  Attempts to make it a nature debate is only the latest PC effort to gain acceptability by its practitioners and their sycophants.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a less than convincing argument.  How about we look at the known mechanics of genetics?</p>
<p>We all inherit genes from our parents.  Whether we have blue eyes or brown eyes depends on the genes we inherit, and whether those genes express a dominant or a recessive trait.</p>
<p>Example, if you inherit two blue eye genes from your parents, you will have blue eyes.  If you inherit either two brown eye genes from your parents, or one blue eye gene and one brown eye gene from each parent, you will have brown eyes, because the brown eye gene is the dominant gene.  To get the recessive blue eyes, you have to have TWO blue eye genes, or the dominant eye color gene will dominate.</p>
<p>Now, let\&#8217;s all be realistic and agree that if homosexuality is an inherited trait, it MUST be a recessive trait, because it only occurs in a small percentage of the total population.  I\&#8217;ve seen estimates ranging form 3% to 15% for the total occurrence of homosexuality in the general population.  You may argue it\&#8217;s larger or smaller, but surely we can all agree it is small enough to say without reservation that it must be a recessive trait if it is an inherited trait.</p>
<p>Now, since I believe the majority of homosexuals do not have children, i.e., do not reproduce, the occurrence of this recessive gene should be decreasing over time, as the major carriers (existing homosexuals) are not passing that gene on to future generations.  This would argue for a decrease in the number of homosexuals over time, due to the decreasing occurrence of the recessive gene in the general population.</p>
<p>This is the reverse of the principle used to \&#8221;breed\&#8221; selective traits into various lines of livestock.  If you want to increase the occurrence of a particular trait in livestock, you selectively breed a male and female that both exhibit that trait.  If done over several generations, you get a \&#8221;type\&#8221; of that livestock that generally exhibits the trait for which you have selected. </p>
<p>Since the majority of homosexuals do not \&#8221;breed\&#8221;, their traits should not be passed on as an option to succeeding generations.</p>
<p>That homosexuality is more \&#8221;common\&#8221; today argues directly against the \&#8221;genetic\&#8221; nature argument, because the opposite effect of what we expect from nature (genetics) is observed.  More frequency, not less frequency.</p>
<p>On the other hand, as homosexuality is more accepted, and in many cases celebrated, argues for homosexuality being a learned response.  Homosexual frequency in the general population can be shown to have ebbed and flowed throughout history as it was more accepted (Ancient Greece) or less accepted (Biblical literature, Ancient Rome, Victorian England, etc.)</p>
<p>Therefore I submit the frequency of homosexuality observed in the general population is exactly what you would expect from the nurture argument and diametrically opposed to what would be expected from the nature argument.</p>
<p>For another example, look to the fact that a large percentage (much larger than the general) of Muslims have homosexual experiences.  This is a response to their religious teachings that women are of lower status than males, and should be regarded as property.  This causes psychological problems for male/female bonding, and leads to homosexual encounters among most males as they attempt to create an \&#8221;equality\&#8221; relationship bond with other males.</p>
<p>That homosexuality is a learned (nurture) response is undeniable based on real world evidence.  Attempts to make it a nature debate is only the latest PC effort to gain acceptability by its practitioners and their sycophants.</p>
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		<title>By: lil mama</title>
		<link>http://socyberty.com/psychology/homosexuality-nature-vs-nurture/comment-page-1/#comment-175758</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good research. I cant say I agree or dis-agree. I do think the the slander needs not be put on this page though. This is science based. Not religion based. Grated I love God and church but I also know that God does not hate His creations and only wishes us all the best. We should do the same for each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good research. I cant say I agree or dis-agree. I do think the the slander needs not be put on this page though. This is science based. Not religion based. Grated I love God and church but I also know that God does not hate His creations and only wishes us all the best. We should do the same for each other.</p>
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		<title>By: blank</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 20:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>was this written by a high school student?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>was this written by a high school student?</p>
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		<title>By: nnkk</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 01:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if its not one its the other...if it were entirely nature then why does the older brother effect only apply to males...nature isn&#039;t biased so that argument is down the drain...also the twin thing sebel ^^^ has a point studies show that IDENTICAL twins can have different sexual orientations (youtube: homosexual: nature vs. nuture)   i&#039;m trying to write a research paper on this and its all very confusing...i&#039;m in between both but leaning (for this research paper) towards nuture </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if its not one its the other&#8230;if it were entirely nature then why does the older brother effect only apply to males&#8230;nature isn&#8217;t biased so that argument is down the drain&#8230;also the twin thing sebel ^^^ has a point studies show that IDENTICAL twins can have different sexual orientations (youtube: homosexual: nature vs. nuture)   i&#8217;m trying to write a research paper on this and its all very confusing&#8230;i&#8217;m in between both but leaning (for this research paper) towards nuture</p>
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		<title>By: sebel</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 04:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is probably the stupidest article i have ever read. twin studies are not the natures best argument, its nurtures. think about it. identical twins share 100% of their genes if one is gay, genetically the other one MUST BE TOO. In bailey and pillards study they found only 52% correlation, i think that speaks for itself. Homosexuality IS NOT biologically determind. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is probably the stupidest article i have ever read. twin studies are not the natures best argument, its nurtures. think about it. identical twins share 100% of their genes if one is gay, genetically the other one MUST BE TOO. In bailey and pillards study they found only 52% correlation, i think that speaks for itself. Homosexuality IS NOT biologically determind.</p>
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		<title>By: TennisGirl528</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great article.  I entirely agree with you, although there is some evidence that prenatal hormones might play some role in homosexuality, along with genetics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great article.  I entirely agree with you, although there is some evidence that prenatal hormones might play some role in homosexuality, along with genetics.</p>
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