Comments on: Deist Clockwork Evolution vs Creationism vs Atheistic Evolution

By: john@macadie.com

john@macadie.com — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:31:27 +0000

thank you #17 art

By: Art

Art — Sat, 21 Mar 2009 19:26:39 +0000

Well, all this is fun. I walk in a preserve known as Payne’s Prarie in Florida. One day, beginning in te morning, my wife and I along with 5 other people went hiking. About 2 hours in, I suddenly had a thought based on the poops of the creatures that live on this preserve. Here is a partial list: alligators, buffalo, horses, bear, vultures, crow and quite a few more. So there I begin to think about early man with a somewhat rational mind. Early man with the rational mind by the way. Mine is irrational, but getting better, I think. So early man really had no clothes as he was no better than the animals and he had to learn how to adapt or die. This is the same for us today. I then thought, if an alligator was hungry and I had to sleep, I became his meal. The same with the bear, we all know about bears shredding humans and enjoying their flesh, even after the people became friends with the family of bears. As you can see, it is about survival of the fittest. The problem with this survival thing is that it causes war. I would think it is enough to calmly sit down and converse about our differences with one another. My wife and I are not the typical subservient family structure. We both research and learn new things every day and therefore we both ALWAYS have something to say to others as well as one another. Sometimes, it is not very pleasant. Look at all the wars in our history. Wars happen where there is no regard for human life, similar to gang and drug wars in society. Our society creates criminal behavior when people put others down. In America, we have 5 classes of incomes and how they behave. #1. The super rich with money from their families. This 2 or less percent make money by giving people what they think they need and want. They know how to make people jealous and envious of one another. I used to say that it was sinful to be jealous and envious of another group, but that is our world as I know it. #2. The rich. They are worth a few billion dollars and behave in a similar way to the super rich, except they know the value of hard work and doing whatever it takes to conquer and survive. #3. The upper class. They are worth up to a few hundred million. They know that they can lose their fortune any time because they are gamblers in life. They will party and enjoy the good life because they know they could do it all over again. #4. The middle class and part of the lower income class. These are the people that live on the edge. Always wondering what they can do to make more. These are ambitious and generally great honest folks. They are envious of the super rich. They want it but do not have the vision and drive to create a new paradigm of their financial empire. They often have to rely on the poor folks to work for them and/or buy their products. #5. These are people that just seem to have it hard almost all the time. Their mindset is to live like the rich on other peoples’ money or just live on the streets just getting by on a day to day basis. I was here even though I did not live on the streets. I always found money to live and party. I always wanted certain cars. I found ways to get them even though they were used. I travelled all around our country and learned an awful lot about life. I very enthusiastically used my thumb and feet. No regrets by the way.
So being in this position left me feeling kind of empty, so I looked in to pentecostalism. I thought they were the zippiest of all the religions. They seemingly were full of energy. Well, truth be known, they as a religion had serious issues. My life went to hell when I started to think that I needed god to make things happen in my life and I blamed the devil or satan for all the discord in my life. You see, for me, it was all about the “blame game.” This is what our country does politically every single day in Washington, DC. All the different professional politicians and pundits and PACs all blame others for the conditions of the world. Stop blaming god, the devil and your fellow man. Love one another and be supportive when you can. Forget about dominating other peoples’ lives. Live a full life that is happy. I have many bibles, Qurans, The Gita and many others gurus ideas on life. Still, it is all about love and respect for all of life on this planet. We need one another as a species. Stop killing all life and show love to yourself!

By: dautsey

dautsey — Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:00:57 +0000

LOL well so many just do not at all know God or much about him or his family, plans or purpose. People like to creat God in their own image rather than actually learning who and what God is and the family is about. Why, how and the plans for 99.9 percent of humanity to have eternal life as part of the God family. Looks like hubby and I need to put some articles on here. God is not at all what people think. Enlightening topic. Jen

By: Eddy Pengelly

Eddy Pengelly — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:22:15 +0000

Creationism is based upon the premise that Genesis Chapter 1 is describing a divine act.
It is not.

In the book A NEW PERSPECTIVE (PPHC, 2004), the Australian researcher, Ronald Pegg, shows from where the Genesis 1 story originated. (Chapter 2 - The Creation Myth Exposed)

Is he right ?

Did a Time Traveller (aka angelic messenger, but in this case perceived as GOD) show the Egyptian priest Moses images of future technology and an account of future events (as reported and explained by Pegg) ?

Resource link: www.pphcstudygroup.org.au/ebooksales

By: Bill M. Tracer

Bill M. Tracer — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 06:09:32 +0000

Thank you, Tonisan60, for that exuberant and enthusiastic response.

By: tonisan60

tonisan60 — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:20:02 +0000

CLAPS, CLAPS, CLAPS, CLAPS AND MORE CLAPS, this is an amazing article, one of the best I’d ever read, my compliments to your excelent work, very well done.

By: Bill M. Tracer

Bill M. Tracer — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 13:21:04 +0000

Thank you Daniel,

Yes, many have independently come to the same conclusion. As I point out in the paragraph subtitled "Simple Elegant Truth", and I quote, "It does appear that most people see this debate as a non-issue, for evolution by design emerges as the most plausible explanation of the way things are put together on this Earth, and indeed throughout the Cosmos." Those who see this are the true majority, but we do need to be more vocal about that. Thanks again, for putting my link on the Deist Links list.

Take Care,

Bill

By: Daniel Mesmer

Daniel Mesmer — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 01:30:44 +0000

I independently came to the same conclusions you reach, some time ago. Thank you for writing this article. It needed to be written, and it needs to be read. I have added a link to the article on the “Deist Links” web page at http://tvftm.com.

By: Bill M. Tracer

Bill M. Tracer — Sat, 08 Mar 2008 15:54:51 +0000

Ranfuchs, I believe I can partially answer that concern with a quote from page 3 of one of my more recent articles, “Is it Irrational to Believe in God?” – found at: http://tinyurl.com/ytq6be :

“…we once believed that such things as the growth patterns of tree branches, and the networks of tree roots, the contours of mountain chains, and the directional meanderings of rivers and streams were random, because that was the simplest of explanations. But with the discovery of fractal geometry, we’ve learned that these natural patterns conform to the mathematical principles of this beautiful geometry. These chaotic patterns were never random at all, but instead so complex in their geometry that they appeared random to us before we understood the fractal mathematical principles governing them…”

Let me add to this quote by saying that just as these patterns appeared random to us, before Mandelbrot discovered fractal mathematics, there may be yet undiscovered principles of evolution incorporated into its design, which once realized, will expand our currently limited perspective and help us see the extent to which it is not random at all. It may well be that from our finite point of view, we may not be capable of truly comprehending the way God uses what we see as random as a complex part of Cosmic design. I remember once seeing a sculpture. I’m sorry to say, I’ve forgotten where. But anyway, when one looked at this sculpture from most perspectives, it just appeared to be a jumbled mess of random forms, representing nothing comprehensible. However, when one changed ones point of view and looked at it from a specific angle, suddenly an ordered pattern molded into view. This sculpture wasn’t just a random mess after all; it had design. We’ve only just begun to glean knowledge of the wonderful Universe in which we live, and as we gather more we start to catch a glimmer of Cosmic Design. The Universe is much more complex than that sculptor’s creation, so it may take us longer to find the necessary knowledge to expand our perspective enough to see the order in chaos, but if we keep searching we will find it. There is still so much more to learn. The quest continues.

By: ranfuchs

ranfuchs — Sat, 08 Mar 2008 12:45:03 +0000

Although I can agree with your argument, the main problem for many religious people is that evolution as a processes are random and unpredictable. That is, the creator could not have planned (although his ability to know past and future he must have known) This, makes many religious people reject your view.