Comments on: Deist Clockwork Evolution vs Creationism vs Atheistic Evolution

By: Kristie Claar

Kristie Claar — Mon, 01 Aug 2011 14:24:31 +0000

great article

By: Al

Al — Wed, 06 Apr 2011 00:08:20 +0000

You are missing a very important component in your argument. If a Christian is to embrace evolution as God\’s method of creation, what is he/she to do with the cross and resurrection of Jesus Christ? The entire NT is built on the premise that death entered the world as a result of man\’s sin, and that Christ\’s resurrection conquers both sin and death.

But if evolution is God\’s model for creation, then death had nothing to do with Adam\’s sin, since survival of the fittest would have reigned for eons as the universe pounded itself out into what we have today. So then, death according to the evolutionary model reigned over the planet long before Adam ever rose to supremacy in the evolutionary chain. And for God to declare that death is a punishment for sin, would be absurd. Things had already been dying for eons. The cross and resurrection would be absurd too, since death had nothing to do with man\’s sin.

Therefore, to embrace evolution as God\’s creative model one must throw out the cross and resurrection as a foolish story written by a bunch of starry-eyed Jews. And if we do that, then we have completely demolished the Christian faith (Read 1 Corinthians 15:12-19)

By: Al

Al — Sat, 02 Apr 2011 04:06:21 +0000

An interesting debate. Have you ever seen the following? It’s called “Forbidden Science: Shattering the Myths Of Darwin’s Theory of Evolution.” You’ll find it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Wr-lXLGCxQ&feature=autofb

Now, let me respond to your article:

1. First, if we are to suggest that man simply evolved out of the dust of the ground, we are striking at the the very heart of Scripture and its entire teaching about sin and salvation. To put it bluntly, we are offering a REVOLUTION IN THEOLOGY, one in which our view of sin and salvation must be radically overhauled!

2. Second, a theory of evolution and/or Evolutionary Creation must insist that we deny the truth about sin and death found in Romans 3:20-22. This passage teaches that the “groaning and travailing of creation” was due to it’s subjection to corruption by man’s sin. Evolution, on the other hand, insists that the elements of our universe spent billions of years “groaning and travailing” as it naturally sifted out the best from the worst. This means that there would have been eons of animal strife, fear, pain, and death, not as a result of sin and God’s curse upon the earth, but as a result of the universe painfully pounding out the results that we see on the planet today. This then denies the Bible’s teaching that death came to our world because of man’s sin. Evolution insists that death is nothing more than an inevitable part of the natural selection process.

3. Third, if evolution is true then man has not “fallen”, he has actually “risen”. He is the most splendid specimen of the evolutionary process. He is greater now than he ever was before. This, of course, means that he is not uniquely created in the image of God; rather, he is nothing more than an elevated level of life and beast — much more in “the image” of apes and hominids than an unseeable God. Sin, then, becomes a mere “disorder” which the evolutionary process will continue to refine and correct. There is no need for moral judgment against man’s imperfections….he isn’t “fallen”, he is simply not fully evolved. Furthermore, the “wages of sin” (which is death) isn’t the wages of sin at all; death is simply a part of the natural selection process. So for these reasons, in this system of thought, Christ’s sacrifice for sin and victory over death isn’t really necessary. Death isn’t the consequence of sin, it is simply a part of the evolutionary process.

So to adhere to the theory of theistic evolution as a Christian is to downgrade the atonement, if not totally eliminate it altogether. Man is no longer a sinner in need of a Savior, he is simply a result of colliding matter and chance. Christ has not risen — man has! Jesus has no reason to rise from the dead, because death has nothing to do with sin. Man has not fallen, he has actually “risen” as the strongest and smartest of beings to emerge from that eons-old primordial soup.

No, my friends, creation and evolution are a toxic mix. The tares are among the wheat. If for no other reason than the atonement (which is the greatest reason of all), we must reject theistic evolution, because it calls for a radical re-imaging of the cross and resurrection!

By: professor funky

professor funky — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 20:50:19 +0000

Thank you for your article In general, I think you are correct. However, I don\’t think you can say that Darwin remained a Deist to the end of his life. His Autobiography (censored up until the 1950s by his family) seems to indicate that he eventually shed even his Deist beliefs. But this does not alter the fact that evolution theory may be compatible with a form of Deism and provides a way for religious believers to reconcile faith and evolutionary science. A deeper issue, though, is whether Deism fulfills all the religious needs many people require. Many would not be content with such a distant Creator, impotent to hear or effect the lives of ordinary mortals in any way. I think Creationists understand this and I don\’t know if there is an adequate response.
pfunk…

By: john@macadie.com

john@macadie.com — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:31:27 +0000

thank you #17 art

By: Art

Art — Sat, 21 Mar 2009 19:26:39 +0000

Well, all this is fun. I walk in a preserve known as Payne’s Prarie in Florida. One day, beginning in te morning, my wife and I along with 5 other people went hiking. About 2 hours in, I suddenly had a thought based on the poops of the creatures that live on this preserve. Here is a partial list: alligators, buffalo, horses, bear, vultures, crow and quite a few more. So there I begin to think about early man with a somewhat rational mind. Early man with the rational mind by the way. Mine is irrational, but getting better, I think. So early man really had no clothes as he was no better than the animals and he had to learn how to adapt or die. This is the same for us today. I then thought, if an alligator was hungry and I had to sleep, I became his meal. The same with the bear, we all know about bears shredding humans and enjoying their flesh, even after the people became friends with the family of bears. As you can see, it is about survival of the fittest. The problem with this survival thing is that it causes war. I would think it is enough to calmly sit down and converse about our differences with one another. My wife and I are not the typical subservient family structure. We both research and learn new things every day and therefore we both ALWAYS have something to say to others as well as one another. Sometimes, it is not very pleasant. Look at all the wars in our history. Wars happen where there is no regard for human life, similar to gang and drug wars in society. Our society creates criminal behavior when people put others down. In America, we have 5 classes of incomes and how they behave. #1. The super rich with money from their families. This 2 or less percent make money by giving people what they think they need and want. They know how to make people jealous and envious of one another. I used to say that it was sinful to be jealous and envious of another group, but that is our world as I know it. #2. The rich. They are worth a few billion dollars and behave in a similar way to the super rich, except they know the value of hard work and doing whatever it takes to conquer and survive. #3. The upper class. They are worth up to a few hundred million. They know that they can lose their fortune any time because they are gamblers in life. They will party and enjoy the good life because they know they could do it all over again. #4. The middle class and part of the lower income class. These are the people that live on the edge. Always wondering what they can do to make more. These are ambitious and generally great honest folks. They are envious of the super rich. They want it but do not have the vision and drive to create a new paradigm of their financial empire. They often have to rely on the poor folks to work for them and/or buy their products. #5. These are people that just seem to have it hard almost all the time. Their mindset is to live like the rich on other peoples’ money or just live on the streets just getting by on a day to day basis. I was here even though I did not live on the streets. I always found money to live and party. I always wanted certain cars. I found ways to get them even though they were used. I travelled all around our country and learned an awful lot about life. I very enthusiastically used my thumb and feet. No regrets by the way.
So being in this position left me feeling kind of empty, so I looked in to pentecostalism. I thought they were the zippiest of all the religions. They seemingly were full of energy. Well, truth be known, they as a religion had serious issues. My life went to hell when I started to think that I needed god to make things happen in my life and I blamed the devil or satan for all the discord in my life. You see, for me, it was all about the “blame game.” This is what our country does politically every single day in Washington, DC. All the different professional politicians and pundits and PACs all blame others for the conditions of the world. Stop blaming god, the devil and your fellow man. Love one another and be supportive when you can. Forget about dominating other peoples’ lives. Live a full life that is happy. I have many bibles, Qurans, The Gita and many others gurus ideas on life. Still, it is all about love and respect for all of life on this planet. We need one another as a species. Stop killing all life and show love to yourself!

By: dautsey

dautsey — Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:00:57 +0000

LOL well so many just do not at all know God or much about him or his family, plans or purpose. People like to creat God in their own image rather than actually learning who and what God is and the family is about. Why, how and the plans for 99.9 percent of humanity to have eternal life as part of the God family. Looks like hubby and I need to put some articles on here. God is not at all what people think. Enlightening topic. Jen

By: Eddy Pengelly

Eddy Pengelly — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:22:15 +0000

Creationism is based upon the premise that Genesis Chapter 1 is describing a divine act.
It is not.

In the book A NEW PERSPECTIVE (PPHC, 2004), the Australian researcher, Ronald Pegg, shows from where the Genesis 1 story originated. (Chapter 2 - The Creation Myth Exposed)

Is he right ?

Did a Time Traveller (aka angelic messenger, but in this case perceived as GOD) show the Egyptian priest Moses images of future technology and an account of future events (as reported and explained by Pegg) ?

Resource link: www.pphcstudygroup.org.au/ebooksales

By: Bill M. Tracer

Bill M. Tracer — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 06:09:32 +0000

Thank you, Tonisan60, for that exuberant and enthusiastic response.

By: tonisan60

tonisan60 — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:20:02 +0000

CLAPS, CLAPS, CLAPS, CLAPS AND MORE CLAPS, this is an amazing article, one of the best I’d ever read, my compliments to your excelent work, very well done.