Comments on: Warning: Science and Atheists Beware http://socyberty.com/religion/warning-science-and-atheists-beware/ Sat, 02 Jun 2012 01:56:08 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Judy http://socyberty.com/religion/warning-science-and-atheists-beware/comment-page-1/#comment-43861 Judy Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:16:06 +0000 http://socyberty.com/religion/warning-science-and-atheists-beware/#comment-43861 Obviously a writer that stirs up passion in people. On the comments, not sure insulting is required to be persuasive. Obviously a writer that stirs up passion in people. On the comments, not sure insulting is required to be persuasive.

]]> By: Not in the US http://socyberty.com/religion/warning-science-and-atheists-beware/comment-page-1/#comment-43859 Not in the US Sun, 09 Dec 2007 00:57:15 +0000 http://socyberty.com/religion/warning-science-and-atheists-beware/#comment-43859 A thought provoking article - a lttle insensitive in places - but two thoughts from me:<br /> (1) Write any article like this and the nest thing is, some idiot jumps on and proves half of it in one go- Thanks Tony!<br /> (2) The whole debate about what should be taught. I must say, from outside the US, the idea of teaching "intellignet design" and other crap makes the US education system seem to be on a par with perhaps Haiti or something from deep inside the Amazon jungles. I've just been reading an article on books that schools in the US have banned. Seriously, only a McDonalds menu will be acceptable in your schools soon A thought provoking article – a lttle insensitive in places – but two thoughts from me:
(1) Write any article like this and the nest thing is, some idiot jumps on and proves half of it in one go- Thanks Tony!
(2) The whole debate about what should be taught. I must say, from outside the US, the idea of teaching “intellignet design” and other crap makes the US education system seem to be on a par with perhaps Haiti or something from deep inside the Amazon jungles. I’ve just been reading an article on books that schools in the US have banned. Seriously, only a McDonalds menu will be acceptable in your schools soon

]]> By: Brandon http://socyberty.com/religion/warning-science-and-atheists-beware/comment-page-1/#comment-43855 Brandon Sat, 08 Dec 2007 05:34:52 +0000 http://socyberty.com/religion/warning-science-and-atheists-beware/#comment-43855 Thanks Ryan! Thanks Ryan!

]]> By: Brandon http://socyberty.com/religion/warning-science-and-atheists-beware/comment-page-1/#comment-43857 Brandon Sat, 08 Dec 2007 05:34:22 +0000 http://socyberty.com/religion/warning-science-and-atheists-beware/#comment-43857 Anne L-G,<br /> Look, I realize that people get all up in arms because an article doesn't take into account their particular group or belief or idea or whatever. If it doesn't apply to you, then it doesn't. If you are a Christian that thinks that science is a great thing and you have no intention of supporting a group that would be in favor of declaring science a religion, then obviously, I'm not talking about you. <br /> And to further clarify, I didn't say anywhere that Christians and science are mutually exclusive. Please read the article again. I know, it could sound like that, but I went out of my way to specifically make the point that most of the religious aren't normally nuts.<br /> <br /> "If you were to ask them to pray the lights on, they would say, rightly, that it is a ridiculous notion. These are not monsters or animals they are generally decent, caring people who most of the time are not off their rockers. But, when religion enters the picture it's like the reason centers of their brains shut down and the god shouter section takes over."<br /> <br /> If you're going to quote me at least please do so in the context of what was said. If you aren't a person whose brain stops working the instant somebody mentions Jesus, then I'm not talking about you. <br /> <br /> Also, I'm sending a warning to you as well. If you aren't a person whose brain stops working when religion is mentioned, be afraid. Because, once 'they've' gotten rid of the obvious threats (science, atheists and gays) 'they' will need to 'purify' their religion and lip service ain't gonna cut it anymore. <br /> <br /> I hope that helps clarify some things! Thanks for reading and have a great week-end. Anne L-G,
Look, I realize that people get all up in arms because an article doesn’t take into account their particular group or belief or idea or whatever. If it doesn’t apply to you, then it doesn’t. If you are a Christian that thinks that science is a great thing and you have no intention of supporting a group that would be in favor of declaring science a religion, then obviously, I’m not talking about you.
And to further clarify, I didn’t say anywhere that Christians and science are mutually exclusive. Please read the article again. I know, it could sound like that, but I went out of my way to specifically make the point that most of the religious aren’t normally nuts.

“If you were to ask them to pray the lights on, they would say, rightly, that it is a ridiculous notion. These are not monsters or animals they are generally decent, caring people who most of the time are not off their rockers. But, when religion enters the picture it’s like the reason centers of their brains shut down and the god shouter section takes over.”

If you’re going to quote me at least please do so in the context of what was said. If you aren’t a person whose brain stops working the instant somebody mentions Jesus, then I’m not talking about you.

Also, I’m sending a warning to you as well. If you aren’t a person whose brain stops working when religion is mentioned, be afraid. Because, once ‘they’ve’ gotten rid of the obvious threats (science, atheists and gays) ‘they’ will need to ‘purify’ their religion and lip service ain’t gonna cut it anymore.

I hope that helps clarify some things! Thanks for reading and have a great week-end.

]]> By: Ryan™ http://socyberty.com/religion/warning-science-and-atheists-beware/comment-page-1/#comment-43853 Ryan™ Sat, 08 Dec 2007 00:57:54 +0000 http://socyberty.com/religion/warning-science-and-atheists-beware/#comment-43853 Awesome article! I haven't really seen anyone claim athiesm and evolution as a religion, I can understand how thiests (not athiests) claim athiesm and evolution to be religions.<br /> <br /> I'll try to think more about it in a few minutes, cuz my dad's blasting the TV 10 feet away, but I agree with you.<br /> <br /> Here's a link to some definitions of religion.<br /> <br /> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion Awesome article! I haven’t really seen anyone claim athiesm and evolution as a religion, I can understand how thiests (not athiests) claim athiesm and evolution to be religions.

I’ll try to think more about it in a few minutes, cuz my dad’s blasting the TV 10 feet away, but I agree with you.

Here’s a link to some definitions of religion.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion

]]> By: Anne Lyken-Garner http://socyberty.com/religion/warning-science-and-atheists-beware/comment-page-1/#comment-43851 Anne Lyken-Garner Fri, 07 Dec 2007 23:49:09 +0000 http://socyberty.com/religion/warning-science-and-atheists-beware/#comment-43851 I am with Bill White.<br /> <br /> Please remember also that 'religion' is not exclusive of science. I am a Christian but this does not automatically require me to disregard science as a whole.<br /> <br /> "But, when religion enters the picture it's like the reason centers of their brains shut down and the god shouter section takes over,"(you said).<br /> <br /> Are you making a general statement here about a few Christians to represent Christians as a whole? I know hundreds of Christians,(a couple of them physicists) none of them 'god shouters'. <br /> <br /> Surely this is more than slightly exaggerated.<br /> I am with Bill White.

Please remember also that ‘religion’ is not exclusive of science. I am a Christian but this does not automatically require me to disregard science as a whole.

“But, when religion enters the picture it’s like the reason centers of their brains shut down and the god shouter section takes over,”(you said).

Are you making a general statement here about a few Christians to represent Christians as a whole? I know hundreds of Christians,(a couple of them physicists) none of them ‘god shouters’.

Surely this is more than slightly exaggerated.

]]> By: Cronis13 http://socyberty.com/religion/warning-science-and-atheists-beware/comment-page-1/#comment-43849 Cronis13 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:17:21 +0000 http://socyberty.com/religion/warning-science-and-atheists-beware/#comment-43849 Does the sun fail to shine on anyone of a different creed , religion or lack there of I think not,Spiritualism even for the agnostic atheist etc.. is and will always be but not limited to man . any animal and yes we are animals of the primate phylum , animals of higher intellect all be it probably an accidental sideeffect of a larger more effecient brain causing us much grief in arguing over that which is bloody odviosnow ask yporselves how does one produce art work is there not a kind of spirituality through the muses that drives the picasso de arte onward, do not fool yourselves into thinking that every one that produces great pieces of artis god fearing or religios minded only that like electricity which pumps the heart spirituality is present in higher animals and may have been a precursor to society values and yes evolution of the earliest as well as presnt mans drive to survive but oh yes who was that angel who was in charge of science music and art..hmmm maybe he is responsible for all thats hanging in the louvre or bheethoven well we cant have that sort hanging round curing aids writing symphonys and producing rennasaince portraits now can we better to be sterile of all sorcery then hmmmm..wouldnt be prudent as ol ned flanders would say heee! Does the sun fail to shine on anyone of a different creed , religion or lack there of I think not,Spiritualism even for the agnostic atheist etc.. is and will always be but not limited to man . any animal and yes we are animals of the primate phylum , animals of higher intellect all be it probably an accidental sideeffect of a larger more effecient brain causing us much grief in arguing over that which is bloody odviosnow ask yporselves how does one produce art work is there not a kind of spirituality through the muses that drives the picasso de arte onward, do not fool yourselves into thinking that every one that produces great pieces of artis god fearing or religios minded only that like electricity which pumps the heart spirituality is present in higher animals and may have been a precursor to society values and yes evolution of the earliest as well as presnt mans drive to survive but oh yes who was that angel who was in charge of science music and art..hmmm maybe he is responsible for all thats hanging in the louvre or bheethoven well we cant have that sort hanging round curing aids writing symphonys and producing rennasaince portraits now can we better to be sterile of all sorcery then hmmmm..wouldnt be prudent as ol ned flanders would say heee!

]]> By: Catana http://socyberty.com/religion/warning-science-and-atheists-beware/comment-page-1/#comment-43847 Catana Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:34:24 +0000 http://socyberty.com/religion/warning-science-and-atheists-beware/#comment-43847 If you're going to define words to suit yourself, you're doing exactly what the religious nuts are doing, and instead of supporting a rational position, you're undermining it. I refer to your statement: "I have said and will continue to say that atheists are spiritual in that spiritualism is following a particular defining thought." Spirit and spiritualism have many definitions, and atheism isn't by any stretch of the imagination included. I'm a lifelong atheist, and there isn't anything in my world of facts and reason that could be called spiritual. If you’re going to define words to suit yourself, you’re doing exactly what the religious nuts are doing, and instead of supporting a rational position, you’re undermining it. I refer to your statement: “I have said and will continue to say that atheists are spiritual in that spiritualism is following a particular defining thought.” Spirit and spiritualism have many definitions, and atheism isn’t by any stretch of the imagination included. I’m a lifelong atheist, and there isn’t anything in my world of facts and reason that could be called spiritual.

]]> By: Jim http://socyberty.com/religion/warning-science-and-atheists-beware/comment-page-1/#comment-43845 Jim Fri, 07 Dec 2007 09:54:18 +0000 http://socyberty.com/religion/warning-science-and-atheists-beware/#comment-43845 My, what a fertile ground for argument. I disagree with the premise that all Christians have a problem with evolution. The ministers at my church have no problem with it. (Unfortunately, the curriculum at my kids' school is opposed to evolution, finding abberrations in the fossil record to "prove" that God planted all of the fossils at once. The science curriculum is my least favorite part of the school. If the public schools adequately taught math and English and weren't affected by gang affiliations, we wouldn't be there.) My personal view is that the Bible was recorded and disseminated by men in an agrarian, pre-literate society, and that the stories are true in the same way that the the answers parents give young children are true. Mesons, quarks, antimatter and the other complexities of the Big Bang wouldn't have been understood in an oral society without mathematics or any available power source larger than a horse. "God created the heavens and the earth" can be true, without being complete. I don't have a problem with the 7 days of Genesis, because I don't see why God should be constrained to the same concept of day that I am. My understanding is that God is greater than I am. If the abbreviated description of Creation in Genesis is the limit of his methods, I will be disappointed. My understanding is that the Bible is meant to illustrate God's expectations of us, rather than provide a manual to His thoughts and methods. The Bible says that man is made in God's image, but I don't think it ever says in what manner. If He wanted to spend a few billion years building us up from raw chemicals through the processs of evolution, He had the time. I think there are enough examples of ongoing evolution in the changing of populations to environmental pressures (man-made and otherwise) to conclude that evolution is part of the plan. My, what a fertile ground for argument. I disagree with the premise that all Christians have a problem with evolution. The ministers at my church have no problem with it. (Unfortunately, the curriculum at my kids’ school is opposed to evolution, finding abberrations in the fossil record to “prove” that God planted all of the fossils at once. The science curriculum is my least favorite part of the school. If the public schools adequately taught math and English and weren’t affected by gang affiliations, we wouldn’t be there.) My personal view is that the Bible was recorded and disseminated by men in an agrarian, pre-literate society, and that the stories are true in the same way that the the answers parents give young children are true. Mesons, quarks, antimatter and the other complexities of the Big Bang wouldn’t have been understood in an oral society without mathematics or any available power source larger than a horse. “God created the heavens and the earth” can be true, without being complete. I don’t have a problem with the 7 days of Genesis, because I don’t see why God should be constrained to the same concept of day that I am. My understanding is that God is greater than I am. If the abbreviated description of Creation in Genesis is the limit of his methods, I will be disappointed. My understanding is that the Bible is meant to illustrate God’s expectations of us, rather than provide a manual to His thoughts and methods. The Bible says that man is made in God’s image, but I don’t think it ever says in what manner. If He wanted to spend a few billion years building us up from raw chemicals through the processs of evolution, He had the time. I think there are enough examples of ongoing evolution in the changing of populations to environmental pressures (man-made and otherwise) to conclude that evolution is part of the plan.

]]> By: Atheism is definately a religion http://socyberty.com/religion/warning-science-and-atheists-beware/comment-page-1/#comment-43843 Atheism is definately a religion Fri, 07 Dec 2007 05:58:49 +0000 http://socyberty.com/religion/warning-science-and-atheists-beware/#comment-43843 They believe and warship themselves, they are their own gods. They believe and warship themselves, they are their own gods.

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