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		<title>By: Brian Daniel Stankich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Daniel Stankich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 22:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting topic, Lauren.  I think the American Dream is, has been, and always will be a panacea.  The definition you mentioned is related to financial security.  If that is how people define it today, that is quite fascinating, because the AD used to include peace, family, contentment, and don&#039;t forget the white picket fence.  In reality, financial security is also mainly unobtainable, as the wealthy have so many problems and encumberments that are attached to the wealth.  Brian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting topic, Lauren.  I think the American Dream is, has been, and always will be a panacea.  The definition you mentioned is related to financial security.  If that is how people define it today, that is quite fascinating, because the AD used to include peace, family, contentment, and don&#8217;t forget the white picket fence.  In reality, financial security is also mainly unobtainable, as the wealthy have so many problems and encumberments that are attached to the wealth.  Brian</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Stonecipher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Stonecipher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 02:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Lauren. It appears as time passes, many people with college degrees end up taken jobs that don&#039;t reflect their level of education. Some of these jobs fit much better with high school graduates. The same with Master&#039;s degree, taken jobs that much a level of a Bachelor&#039;s degree.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Lauren. It appears as time passes, many people with college degrees end up taken jobs that don&#8217;t reflect their level of education. Some of these jobs fit much better with high school graduates. The same with Master&#8217;s degree, taken jobs that much a level of a Bachelor&#8217;s degree.</p>
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		<title>By: marisolflamenco</title>
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		<dc:creator>marisolflamenco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 15:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post!</p>
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		<title>By: goodselfme</title>
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		<dc:creator>goodselfme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 07:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always learn from your articles. You post them in such an order it seems as though people can just sit and talk with you about what you have stated.&lt;br /&gt;
In this day and age, we no longer are in charge of anything much. Our Senators are lifers and we don&#039;t seem to mind, as a society in general, to throw the lot out and start anew. Until our voices are heard we are heading down the perverbial tubes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always learn from your articles. You post them in such an order it seems as though people can just sit and talk with you about what you have stated.<br />
In this day and age, we no longer are in charge of anything much. Our Senators are lifers and we don&#8217;t seem to mind, as a society in general, to throw the lot out and start anew. Until our voices are heard we are heading down the perverbial tubes.</p>
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		<title>By: Jo Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jo Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 05:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lauren, &lt;br /&gt;
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Great topic, and you presented your experience and stance wonderfully. &lt;br /&gt;
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I usually totally agree with you. This is no exception, other than a few points. &lt;br /&gt;
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First, I 100% agree that &quot;America&quot; is moving more and more toward a socialist state. However, we do have control over that. WE elect our local officials, gov&#039;s, Sen&#039;s, Rep&#039;s, Pres, etc.... to reflect our ideals. As long as we continue to elect and embrace people like Pelosi, Reed, Obama, etc..(that clearly reflect socialist views) then we are to blame even more than they are. &lt;br /&gt;
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As to US education, I very much disagree with you on the poor. Take my nursing class. It started with 30 students. All but me and one other white student received pell grants and gov assist. In other words, their tuition, books, uniforms, supplies, etc... was all paid for. We were also the only two that didnt live in gov housing or get free board at school. The gov even gave those with kids X amount for childcare. The other girl and I had to get student loans and still work to pay for cost of living. So, in reality it is easier for those that are poor or unwilling to pay their own way....than those that come from moderate incomes and try to work. I find it ironic that only 8 of those that the gov pd their way graduated. &lt;br /&gt;
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Education is not essential to the American dream....but common sense is. The reason the American dream is failing isnt because of a lack of MBA&#039;s, but because of greed and dishonesty on the part of the biz and the consumer. The days of a hand shake and paying your bills are a thing of the past. The reason mom and pop biz could make it is because they operated on good faith, and people respected and honored their word. Now, biz is so worried about loosing a dollar, and consumers are so worried about getting over on someone for a dollar, that neither can be gainful. My grandmother and grandfather both had surgery while my mom was a child. Neither could work, much less pay their pharm bill. The Pharm gave them the med&#039;s for 6 mo on good faith. They never forgot the trust and kindness of the pham, and paid back every cent. In fact, when my grandmother died, her instructions were to pay the pharm before anyone else got a dime. &lt;br /&gt;
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Well, that is my two cents. Sorry for the rant. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lauren, </p>
<p>Great topic, and you presented your experience and stance wonderfully. </p>
<p>I usually totally agree with you. This is no exception, other than a few points. </p>
<p>First, I 100% agree that &#8220;America&#8221; is moving more and more toward a socialist state. However, we do have control over that. WE elect our local officials, gov&#8217;s, Sen&#8217;s, Rep&#8217;s, Pres, etc&#8230;. to reflect our ideals. As long as we continue to elect and embrace people like Pelosi, Reed, Obama, etc..(that clearly reflect socialist views) then we are to blame even more than they are. </p>
<p>As to US education, I very much disagree with you on the poor. Take my nursing class. It started with 30 students. All but me and one other white student received pell grants and gov assist. In other words, their tuition, books, uniforms, supplies, etc&#8230; was all paid for. We were also the only two that didnt live in gov housing or get free board at school. The gov even gave those with kids X amount for childcare. The other girl and I had to get student loans and still work to pay for cost of living. So, in reality it is easier for those that are poor or unwilling to pay their own way&#8230;.than those that come from moderate incomes and try to work. I find it ironic that only 8 of those that the gov pd their way graduated. </p>
<p>Education is not essential to the American dream&#8230;.but common sense is. The reason the American dream is failing isnt because of a lack of MBA&#8217;s, but because of greed and dishonesty on the part of the biz and the consumer. The days of a hand shake and paying your bills are a thing of the past. The reason mom and pop biz could make it is because they operated on good faith, and people respected and honored their word. Now, biz is so worried about loosing a dollar, and consumers are so worried about getting over on someone for a dollar, that neither can be gainful. My grandmother and grandfather both had surgery while my mom was a child. Neither could work, much less pay their pharm bill. The Pharm gave them the med&#8217;s for 6 mo on good faith. They never forgot the trust and kindness of the pham, and paid back every cent. In fact, when my grandmother died, her instructions were to pay the pharm before anyone else got a dime. </p>
<p>Well, that is my two cents. Sorry for the rant.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Smedley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate Smedley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 09:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting article Lauren which has definitely provoked strong reactions.  College doesn&#039;t prepare you for the realities of running a business, I&#039;ve worked for myself for 15 years as I hit the &#039;glass ceiling&#039; in industry so I realised if I was going to make it it had to be my way - the road less travelled if you like... but the realities of business are challenging and the current economic situation makes it harder for everyone with people losing homes everyday, through no fault of their own....I don&#039;t know enough about socialism to comment constructively and I don&#039;t want to rant.I thought this was a very well written piece and I&#039;m sorry to hear you&#039;ve had problems in business. As for education, the state system in the UK is - with a few exceptions - terrible. If you have the money you can buy it but if you don&#039;t, tough, it&#039;s a lottery, so I think your comment that the poor are set up to fail has some truth in it. Thanks for this, sorry to ramble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting article Lauren which has definitely provoked strong reactions.  College doesn&#8217;t prepare you for the realities of running a business, I&#8217;ve worked for myself for 15 years as I hit the &#8216;glass ceiling&#8217; in industry so I realised if I was going to make it it had to be my way &#8211; the road less travelled if you like&#8230; but the realities of business are challenging and the current economic situation makes it harder for everyone with people losing homes everyday, through no fault of their own&#8230;.I don&#8217;t know enough about socialism to comment constructively and I don&#8217;t want to rant.I thought this was a very well written piece and I&#8217;m sorry to hear you&#8217;ve had problems in business. As for education, the state system in the UK is &#8211; with a few exceptions &#8211; terrible. If you have the money you can buy it but if you don&#8217;t, tough, it&#8217;s a lottery, so I think your comment that the poor are set up to fail has some truth in it. Thanks for this, sorry to ramble.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 06:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lauren Axelrod, I do appreciate your responding here, but I have to wonder where you get the words you&#039;re putting into my mouth.&lt;br /&gt;
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I have not defended America, its government, the status quo, the economy, or any other number of things. The one thing I have said is that you are defining socialism improperly, and seem to be laboring under the delusion that America is a socialist country. I think we likely agree about a majority of things; it&#039;s your frankly bizarre definition of socialism that I take issue with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lauren Axelrod, I do appreciate your responding here, but I have to wonder where you get the words you&#8217;re putting into my mouth.</p>
<p>I have not defended America, its government, the status quo, the economy, or any other number of things. The one thing I have said is that you are defining socialism improperly, and seem to be laboring under the delusion that America is a socialist country. I think we likely agree about a majority of things; it&#8217;s your frankly bizarre definition of socialism that I take issue with.</p>
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		<title>By: Lost in Arizona</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lost in Arizona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 06:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just popped in to read some articles of late, and has this one really ruffled some feathers. It&#039;s funny to think how so many individuals are ready to stand by a country that is supposed to be based on &quot;democracy&quot; considering the constitution was only based for certain individuals, and that certainly didn&#039;t include minorities or women. And as far as the economy works, it only works for those individuals that are making the bucks, while everyone else is trying to struggle to make ends meet. And I&#039;m with you on education. It did nothing for me but put me in debt, and the only thing that has got me through it all is the drive to succeed and be an example to my girls to know that no matter what, they can make something of themselves despite what this world may be based on. So I say Miss Lauren, rant on, because you could not have put a more well formulated piece together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just popped in to read some articles of late, and has this one really ruffled some feathers. It&#8217;s funny to think how so many individuals are ready to stand by a country that is supposed to be based on &#8220;democracy&#8221; considering the constitution was only based for certain individuals, and that certainly didn&#8217;t include minorities or women. And as far as the economy works, it only works for those individuals that are making the bucks, while everyone else is trying to struggle to make ends meet. And I&#8217;m with you on education. It did nothing for me but put me in debt, and the only thing that has got me through it all is the drive to succeed and be an example to my girls to know that no matter what, they can make something of themselves despite what this world may be based on. So I say Miss Lauren, rant on, because you could not have put a more well formulated piece together.</p>
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		<title>By: DA Cournean</title>
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		<dc:creator>DA Cournean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 03:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your last comment Lauren, is the sad truth. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your last comment Lauren, is the sad truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren Axelrod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren Axelrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 00:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just because someone in this country told you that we live in a democracy doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s true. &lt;br /&gt;
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Just because the constitution states that we have rights as citizens of this country, doesn&#039;t make that true.&lt;br /&gt;
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There is a small group of individuals that defines your life and how you live it each and everyday. Who is that? The Government.&lt;br /&gt;
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I must say, you seem completely satisfied with the state of the economy and your current financial state. If it was up to you, would you want to make more money? Do you think you deserve it? &lt;br /&gt;
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There seems to be an very evident age difference between us considering your point of view, which is fine. We all have different perceptions of the US, however I have personally experienced the inner workings of this country, and I can tell you this.&lt;br /&gt;
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This country, no matter what the textbooks say, no longer belongs to the people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because someone in this country told you that we live in a democracy doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s true. </p>
<p>Just because the constitution states that we have rights as citizens of this country, doesn&#8217;t make that true.</p>
<p>There is a small group of individuals that defines your life and how you live it each and everyday. Who is that? The Government.</p>
<p>I must say, you seem completely satisfied with the state of the economy and your current financial state. If it was up to you, would you want to make more money? Do you think you deserve it? </p>
<p>There seems to be an very evident age difference between us considering your point of view, which is fine. We all have different perceptions of the US, however I have personally experienced the inner workings of this country, and I can tell you this.</p>
<p>This country, no matter what the textbooks say, no longer belongs to the people.</p>
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