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The Scythians

An introduction to the Scythian people of the Steppes.

Many nomad tribes from the Steppes of Central Eurasia have swept down upon the sedentary peoples of Europe and China throughout history. The Mongols used wholesale slaughter to spread terror and encourage enemies to surrender without a fight; Timur the Lame (Tamberlaine) caused pyramids of human heads to be built up so that his name would cause the whole world to tremble. Centuries before, the Scythians hung scalps from their horse’s harnesses to terrify the Persians and the Greeks they met. One thing that is very noticeable about all of these Steppe peoples is how similar in so many different ways they were.

Unlike the Mongols, the Scythians came from the western part of the Steppe area and spoke a language very similar to Iranian. Yet their loose trousers, capes and jackets were similar to those worn down the centuries by subsequent tribal groupings. So too were the composite bows they used – although they did have a sharper angle to them, like, so it is said, Cupid’s bow. Made from a central wooden stave covered on one side by sinew and the other by bone, the composite bow was a significantly superior weapon to the self or simple bow used in western Europe, which was made from a single piece of wood. Further, the ability that the Scythians had in shooting their bows while manoeuvring their short, mobile horses, was unmatched in Europe. Swooping down upon the enemy, loosing a cloud of arrows and then running away at speed were tactics that defeated enemies for more than a millennium.

The Scythians attacked the Medes and took their territory, bringing them into contact with the Persians. These too were defeated and the Scythian empire was created in largely Persian territory. They came into contact with the Greeks and even sent a few mercenaries to fight alongside the Athenians. Perhaps our best source of invention about the Scythians – apart from archaeology – is Herodotus, who devoted one whole book of his Histories to a description of the people. He noted how hardy they were and how strong – although on the whole he was of the opinion that they were disreputable barbarians with little to show that was worthy of respect.

Along with other nomads, the Scythians had a semi-symbiotic relationship with the settled people in the land surrounding the Steppes. Pure nomadism is not a sustainable way of life – trade or raiding is essential for nomads to obtain the other items they need to survive. Indeed, many nomads actually have pursued some types of agriculture themselves when necessary. From the perspective of the settled peoples, the nomads appeared to be parasitic terror-mongers of no real humanity or value. History is, by and large, written by the settled peoples and, as a result, the reputation of the nomads has been rather poor.

Just as happened with the semi-legendary Cimmerians before them, the Scythians eventually faded away from history when their military ability was overcome. Living by the bow meant that the nomadic Scythians eventually died by, if not the bow, then the sword.

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  1. Scythian

    On August 8, 2008 at 6:13 am


    Scythians didn’t die out. I’m genetically a Scythian myself. 6′4″ tall, master mechanic, disciplined and military professional in Michigan. All that happened is that Sakas or Scythians settled into the nations they conquered, usually being part of the military or skilled technical of whichever nation they settled in or were born in. The Scythian Race is well and alive. But their names have changed, that’s all. The Rajputs and Jatts of India (Punjabis and Rajputs) are Scythians, about 3% of Indian population. The Magi of Iran are Scythians. Many military personnel in Greece and Italy are of Scythic blood. There’s a lot of Scythian blood mixed with the Tuetonic Tribes of Germany too. Scyths went everywhere, even one American Indian Tribe, different from the other ones, the Comanche is Scythian too. American Indians are not all the same people. They too came over as invaders of the Americas’ different groups at different times. As a tribute to my heritage, since we Scyths are kind of different from everyone else, I have revised my surname to Scythian as well. Typically that would be Saka, but the English translation is Scythian. Scythians are now various Indian, Iranian, Greek, German, Italian, Russian and American Indian people. They didn’t “die out” no more than the Celts who are the British today, “died out”. Names change that’s all. The people today are still mostly the people from the recent as well as the ancient past.

  2. a scythian or saka

    On November 2, 2008 at 1:12 am


    I agree with what Scythian said. Scythians didn’t extinct but they have now transformed over the centuries into differnt tribes which exist today. I am too a descendant of Scythians. For example, I am a Jatt(Jat) from Punjab and we Jatts still bore today the scythians surnames. You can find more than 50 surnames in Jatt ethnicity that are completely scythian and each one of them can be verified via hisory. You can also verify genetically. The DNA of Jatts has still the scythian content upto this day. Scythians simply obsorbed into the regions which they conquered. You can also find many cultural similarities of that region with the ones practiced by the scythians.

  3. Leyla

    On December 10, 2008 at 12:11 pm


    Bulgarians, Croats, Serbs, Jatts, Ukrainians all claim Scythian herritage…please just stop. Scythians are Iranic, we are all mixed people! No one is pure. The only people that have the right to claim Scythian ancestry are Iranic people.

  4. Scythian

    On December 28, 2008 at 5:30 pm


    Sure. Iranic people didn’t stay in Iran, they went everywhere. All those other nations (including Iranian) are just nationalities not races. Scythian-blooded people still live in many other nations. I.E. Indo-Iranics in the Punjab, India. Sakas in Afghanistan. Croats/Serbs who are ethnic. Another example to exemplify these facts is take British people for example, they have a right to claim to be Celts. Because their DNA is Celtic. I guess according to Leyla only people in England are Celtic no place else. Have you ever heard of America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa Leyla? If so, they are filled up with Celtic British-blooded/DNA people too. Have you seen what I look like? Most Iranics aren’t even Scythians, they’re Persians and Turks. East Iranics, their descendents in Southern Afghanistan, East Europe & North India are still majority Scythian DNA, and look it! These nationalities are not races Leyla, you need to grow up. I bet you are short and Turk-looking, not even a 6′4″ tall Scythian Raced person like we Sakas are. You sound like some Turk who wants to claim the entire planet is “Turkish” when they don’t even look like you. When you look like an East Iranian Saka like we do, then we will continue our talk. Iranian isn’t a race it is just a nationality too. Persians and Scythians are minorities in Iran, most of Iran is littered with short little fat-faced Turks who pretend they are “Iranian” and they name their daughters Leyla. Leyla you Turks need to stop Turkfying everything you come near, or one day everyone will turn on you people. Iranians are 45% Turks, 35% Persians, 10% Arabs, 10% Scythians. (PLEASE POST THIS COMMENT SO THE FACTS CAN BE KNOWN, THANK YOU).

  5. Scythian

    On December 28, 2008 at 5:35 pm


    Hiya ‘Scythian or Saka’(#2) good to meet you. :)

  6. Scythian

    On December 28, 2008 at 5:53 pm


    Before there was an Afghanistan, there was “East Iran”. Or the “Iranian Plateau”. Which made up the Warrior Castes (Races) of the Persian Empire (Parthians). To this day, the best fighters are Sakas. In the region of Southern Afghanistan called Kandahar. Both Persian, Indians recruited these Sakas as their Warriors and Craftsmen. To this day they are a warlike, skilled technical, tall and strong people. Sakas would rather stay alone till than mix with other races. This is why the descendents of South Afghan Sakas wherever they are today are mostly Scythian in DNA un-mixed. Very tall, strong and very highly skilled builders, mechanics, gunsmiths & fighters. They are concentrated in S. Afghanistan, East Iran and Punjab North India/Pakistan. Various European groups are mixed with Sakas too. FOR THE RECORD, SCYTHIANS ARE: NURISTANI SAKAS FROM SOUTHERN AFGHANISTAN IN THE KANDAHAR REGION. Their descendents elsewhere are Rajputs & Jatts in India (Only 3% of India); Magi Saka in Iran (10% of Iran). The rest of the Scythians are scattered is small traces worldwide. ANYONE ELSE WHO DISAGREES WITH THESE FACTS IS EITHER NOT OF OUR SAKA/SCYTHIAN RACE OR IS SOME SHORT LITTLE FAT-FACED TURK TRYING TO DOCTOR TRUTHFUL HISTORY IN MORE FRAUDULENT TURK GARBAGE.

  7. Scythian

    On December 28, 2008 at 6:11 pm


    Leyla must be retarded or something. Because she thinks Scythians who settled elsewhere who are tall, strong and UN-MIXED Scythians “have no right to claim” they are Scythians. Leyla, please tell me how you got to be so stupid. Race/DNA doesn’t change if you leave your homeland to another territory while keeping your Race pure. I’ll show you my picture Leyla, then you’ll know what a Scythian looks like. But I’m sure you won’t show me your dark little fat Turk photograph, because then we will tell you, that you have no right to claim to be a Scythian.

  8. Scythian (Last Comment Here)

    On December 28, 2008 at 7:57 pm


    One last comment I want to make, which is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. So people out in the world don’t continue to be deceived & the liars can’t get away with their garbage here. No one in Iran calls themselves “Iranian” except the dirty, stupid terrorist criminal Azeri Turks who have infested “Iran” with their unfortunately presence. It is these dirty, stupid criminal Azeri Turks who have infested the region they even titled as “Iran” today (formerly Persia), who are the ONLY people who call themselves “Iranics” or “Iranians”. Scythians don’t call themselves “Iranian” they call themselves Sakas or Jatt or Rajput. Medes don’t call themselves “Iranian” they call themselves Kurds. Persians sure as hell don’t call themselves “Iranian” they call themselves Persians. Why don’t you Azeri Turks and your Zionist masters all just get lost and go back to Hell from where you come from? The world will be much happier with all of you devils gone. Some of us Sakas wish you demons were all exterminated, because then you Zionists and Azeri Turks (so-called “Iranians”) wouldn’t exist anymore, you’d all be exterminated in Death Camps like you should have been. The world wouldn’t be in the mess it is today because of you two evil demonic groups. The Armenian & Kurdish Genocide by Zionists and Azeri Turks would have never happened. The War in Iraq and Afghanistan would have never happened if Azeri Turks and Zionists were all exterminated. The Satanic New World Order which is ruining all nations slowly but surely would not be happening if Azeri Turks, Zionists and Britons were all exterminated. Maybe next time around the world will get rid of you demons, finally at last, for lasting world peace and sovereign national idenities restored once again. Indians, Punjabis/Scythians, Persians & Afghan Scythians are all good people, smart, educated and decent human beings. But Azeri Turks (so-called “Iranians”) & Zionists are the scum of the Earth who shall one day NOT BE SUFFERED TO LIVE!

  9. Saka

    On December 30, 2008 at 3:14 pm


    Figured an explosion in arguments would happen at a site about Scyths. This comment is to ‘Scythian’: Your blood is Scythic alright, but we all originated from where Kazakhstan is today. From Kazakhstan we conquered the Persians (East Iran & Afghanistan), Europeans and Indians settling amongst them as their military castes. But Kazakhstan in Central Asia is where we come from. Even among the Kshatryias of Iran and India, that word Kshatryia descends from the root word Kazakh. Kazakhstan is used to be called “Scythia”. Several countries among both Europe and Asia have various Scythic groups residing within them.

  10. Jas

    On January 16, 2009 at 8:13 pm


    Based on what I’ve read and recent studies on DNA of Jatts in Punjab, Jatts are descendents of scythians..

  11. TUrkic

    On February 22, 2009 at 1:14 pm


    they are Turkic Not Turkish my ”Scythian”friens The Name ”Turk” means ”walking” it means The tribes wich came from central asia are all Turk’s I didn’t mean Turkish cause it means the Turks who lives in Turkey.I laughed your answer that ”indians are scythian”hahaha:D you are so funy man have you ever heard the funeral called ”Esik kurgan” which found in north blacksea and dont forget ”Kurgan” means funeral in old Turkic language.they found a tombstone and some Runic alphabet words.that’s write on the stone .I’ll explane that words for you if you read that in old Turkic language you will see that ”Tigin Died at His 23,God’s mercy to us”
    think that and Cry man you’re not scythian you are just non-racial they are ancestors of mine!like Huns,Temurids,gokhturks etc.

  12. french scotch irish

    On March 15, 2009 at 8:22 pm


    Mr. Scythian, YOu should be ashamed to suggest that anyone be exterminated. There is room for peace here on earth. Jews are God’s people as demonstreted by the word of God. My father faced the Nazi warplanes and ground assault in WWII to help free the Jews and many others, in his P-51 Mustang -52 missions. His eyes would fill with tears if we asked him about the suffering he saw in the concentration camps. Yes, he saw the walking skeletons…. I don’t think God wants the beautiful races of earth to hate each other… Shame on you for being a murderer in your heart. May the God Jehova and his son Christ Jesus kingdom, bring peace on earth and such horrors never surface on the face of earth again. Why don’t you face the realities of what you’re doing and begin a peace movement among young people. Perhaps education of the awful and harsh realities of WWII would stop your countrymen from participating with your warmongering leader. WHAT IF ALL PEOPLES OF IRAN REFUSED TO participate in hating the peoples of earth beginning there in your own backyard? Peace and Love to you.

  13. Nima

    On April 14, 2009 at 11:43 am


    To Scythian:

    Most Turkish-speakers in Iran are just that; Turkish Speakers. Those who look Mongolian are those of Turkish blood. You might be interested to know that the Azaries (who are Turkish-speakers) are of Median origin (another Iranic group.)

    The Medes called themselves “Aryan” (the Avestan/Old-Iranian version of the Pahlavi/Middle-Persian word Eran/Iran).
    The Kurds, Azeries, Gilakis, Mazandaranies are of Median origin.

    The Persians also called themselves “Aryan”, the Scythians I’m not to sure of, but it seems like the terms Scythian, Sarmatian, Cimmerian and Alan are all tribal names, so its more likely they all referred to themselves as Aryans/Iranians.

    The term “Aryan” can be found on Achaemenid (Persians) cunieforms.
    The term “Eran” was used by both Parthians and Sassanians.

    Also the Parthians (Part) were not Persians (Pars), thotgh they both are of Iranian origin.

  14. Human

    On April 15, 2009 at 7:36 pm


    Hi Guys,

    As I just sat down to see re-read about the origins of the scythian, I did not like the lines I read above full of non-sense accusations and stuff.

    As far as I know Scytians were of Iranic stock, though, lately I have read different stories about this. Do not forget as time goes along and science evolves more and more, history may well be re-written (and this means for a lot of peoples and their origins).

    Currently I am at a stage of reading about proto-turkic history, which dates back to 14,000 years ago; that’s a deviation of at least 10,000 years. I am not saying that I agree with all I read, though the 2 scientist (actually 3 because an Italian doctor also is into this study) trace the proto-turks way back. A strong, and perhaps to be considered, approach is the study by a guy called Kazim Mirsan. He is an Uyghur from North-West China, who speaks many languages, especially a lot of the different Turkic languages. This ability combined with his abilty to read the Turkic Orkhin alphabet along with his ability to analyze the “birth” of that alphabet has given him the opportunity to analyze many old stone inscription that were thought to be anything but Turkic by “common” historians and linguist (and yes including Turkic linguists). With his experience knowledge of various Turkic languages as well as the ability to utilize and interpret various inscriptions he was able to read some runic inscriptions found in Scandinavia, some 7000 year old rock inscriptions in Eastern Turkey, some Frygian inscriptions in Western Turkey, the Etrusk language and even some inscriptions in Egypt. Now of course this does not mean that all these place the people were of Turkic descent, though, he believes through his findings that Scytians and Sumerians might have been of Turkic or Proto-Turkic stock, yet, as with a lot of history, anything is not certain.
    Now I know that Turkic (and thus Turkish from Turkey too) are classified under the Ural-Altaic language families. Ural/Uralic would be Finnish, Hungarian and some other. Though the latest I have heard is that the Ural and Ataic have been split from one another. And now even there are thoughts that Turkic and Mongolian who both belong to the Altaic group might not be related other than that they were neighbours for centuries.
    It could very well be that the Scytians were a Turkic stock who got Iranized, as there are perhaps Turkified Chuvas, or Iranized Hazara (said to be of Mongol descent).
    Now I have read some of you claim to be Scytians, but if that were so, I guess we can conclude that many Eastern Europeans are Hunnic, and many people in Turkey Hittites.
    In my opinion I think we need some more time so see what future studies will bring us. I know National Geographic has started an interesting study with “genes” where you can trace your origin back many thousands of years back (it can not trace your etnicity or whatever, though who knows in the near future?).

    Finally here a copy/paste of what I have found:

    “Among others, modern Kazakhs (especially the branch known as “Saks”) claim descent from the Sakas. The Sakha people of Siberia (see Yakuts) also claim descent from a remnant of the earlier Saka people. Additionally, although the evidence is dated and the technology utilized still in its infancy, DNA analysis conducted at the Novosibirsk Institute of Cytology and Genetics has found Kazakhs and Altai people to be the nearest relatives among competing Mongol-Turkic clans of a Scythian from the Pazyryk burial in Siberia.

    Archeological evidence and histographies shows a worldview of Sakas, closely related to that of present-day Kazakhs and Mongols. It is theorized that they believed Man was a part of the Universe, Cosmos, Heaven, Sun, mountains, river, in total nature, and shows close affinities with Shamanism and Tengriism which are still practiced today, from Kazakhstan to Siberia which conceive of God as related to Cosmic laws and forces. Siberian shamanism is not known to be directly connected to Indo-European religion.

    I hope you will understand what is nearst relatives”.

    The best to all of you!
    Human

  15. Uzbek Scythian

    On May 1, 2009 at 6:33 pm


    Hey guys do you know that the real area where scythian were living was central asia and mostly in the area of Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan, our many scythian ancestors were living there, I am an Uzbek I am a Scythian, if you search the history archievs, most of them are agree that Scythian / Massagteau were the forefathers of Uzbek people and the name of Uzbek is a political name which we have got after Mongol golden horde, its ture we have many mangol people as well who are now called themselves Uzbek, but real people who were living there and now are called Uzbek are scythian people, and I am proud to be a Scythian

  16. Scythian

    On May 19, 2009 at 4:18 am


    Scythians are Central Asian. We spread out into many countries worldwide, because of our technical and/or military prowness. Right on bro!

    30% of Iran; 18% of Pakistan; 5% of India; 25% of the Middle East; 50% of Central Asia; 10% of Europe, 1.75% of USA/Canada/Mexico (North America) all contain our Scythian Race.

    That’s not to mention the rest of the world where we’ve migrated, immigrated, conquered or explored into. :)

  17. The Germanic

    On May 21, 2009 at 2:35 pm


    Peace Scythians last time i heard about anyone pillaging the entire world it was the German Empire or Third Reich and the people still remain German so to the Britons and of which are another Germanic race !
    Romance peoples are many nations and the closest to a nation named after their roots is Romania which is Romance Peoples and then the Slavic peoples of which no country named just many mixes and then Germany of which is Germanic so if Scythians were so superhuman then why is no country called Scythia today not 1000 yrs ago ?
    Jews are alright so forget it i was not there asx all of us because today is what matters !
    All the power to Scythia

  18. Turkopol

    On June 1, 2009 at 7:32 am


    hey the germanic remember ATtila the hun..for what?look at the history he conquared all germanic tribes and send them to west for he beat your ancestors:D:D:Dit means my ancestors beat yours :D :Dhaha:D:D

  19. Aryan

    On June 2, 2009 at 9:58 pm


    The Scythians belong to Iranic Peoples.They are Aryans

    Iran means Land of the Aryans

    I am Darius.the Great King.King of Kings.King of countries containing all kinds of men.King in this great earth far & wide.son of hystaspes.an Achaemenian.a Persian.son of a Persian.an Aryan.having Aryan lineage

    An Iranian necklace belongs to 3000 years ago

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9b/Swastika_iran.jpg

  20. Uzbek Scythian

    On June 19, 2009 at 1:04 pm


    Hey Aryan, go and read your Cyrus the great history, Firoz 1 and Darius 2 who were all killed by the Great Scythians in the center of Central Asia, for your further information, your Cyrus the great whom you are proud of was killed by our Great Scythian queen Tomyris and one Italian painter painted her portrait, that she rubs your Cyrus the great’s head under her feet. Scythan are knnown as the enemeies of persians and vice versa persian were always trying to capture the dom of Scythians which caused the lost of above mentioned persian kings. I always keep my pride in side of my herat that I am a Scythian.

  21. Aryan

    On July 8, 2009 at 3:54 am


    Yes،We are proud of Cyrus the Great.World respects him

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_the_Great

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomyris

    Can you understand the difference between them?
    First the Scythians attacked the Medes & the Persians

    The Scythians didn’t kill Darius 2 & this is your captured king

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/Behistun.Inscript.Skunkha.jpg

    you invaded Persia several times & you were defeated by Bahram V & Yazdegerd II & Khosrau I

    Even name of your country is half Persian.Uzbek+istan=Uzbekistan such as Kurdistan & Turkistan & Pakistan & Kazakhstan &…
    you faded away from history & world doesen’t recognize you as Scythian nation now.where are you now?.where is your country & your language & your culture?
    but we were/are Persians
    First Rescue your country from occupiers & turkification & Found Scythia or your own country & your army & your weapons & ballistic missiles & Send your satellite into orbit & Enrich uranium & Speak your Iranic language then come here & Talk about history & pride & Scythians you turkified people

  22. Dude

    On July 24, 2009 at 12:02 am


    Most of you are a bunch of nutters.

    The world is mixed. Scythians are a vague ancient linguistic/ethnic/nationalistic/geographical category. A Scyth may very well be a general designation for nomadic people living in a wide portion of Asia. It may be a definite genetic category.

    either way, there is no biological basis for race. Hell, we’re damn near chimpanzees.

    And to the poster under the moniker “Scythian” SIEG HEIL! Identity crisis much? right? you crazy nutter!

  23. Indian s

    On July 25, 2009 at 8:28 am


    Hello to all
    in indian history the word saka can be find in most ancient inscriptions and it is said that saka soldiers take part in epic war of mahabharat of ancient kshatriyas i.e, they are in indian history since starting but they start settling in india (including pakistan) only after ages of ancient aryan kshatriyas was over due to repeated attack by huns . Then they start migrating india in large hordes and settled in north west india and eventually adopted hinduism (later on islam also) and acquired kshatriya status but soon their power eclipsed with the rise of islam and they give up sword and pick up plough and formed one of the most sucessful agricultural community of india as today they are mainly farmers and soldiers jatts , gujjar, ahir ,rajputs of north west india are said to have scythian ancestry but jatts have least intermixing because of strict marriage rules and they show massive scythian physique

  24. I actually read for a living

    On July 30, 2009 at 11:30 am


    This article containts an inaccurate statement: “Pure nomadism is not a sustainable way of life – trade or raiding is essential for nomads to obtain the other items they need to survive.” That’s not true. For most of human history we as a species were nomadic. It is probably one of the most sustainable ways of life, with civilization being the least. Trade, and to a lesser extent, raiding, was probably somewhat common through most of our existance but the level and full meaning behind this “raiding” as seen in the article is usually because of civilization crowding and killing land that raiding takes place. Relying solely on agriculture requries the hardest work, longest days, and is most likely to result in starvation.

  25. Uzbek Scythain

    On August 13, 2009 at 8:17 am


    Aryan cool down man you go so fast, I am not fighting with you, it is history my friend niether you and nor me are able to to prove who was 1000 years ago our real blood fathers, a mongol face can change after 3 generation if it merge with an european race and vice versa so it is a story that we make history, i like iranian people and they have always been we Uzbeks friends we have more 1000 persian words in our langauge, so who knows who was realy who. but according to the historicians i say that I might be a Scythian, who know how much is it true. but do not forget is that the earth is from all and we are all humans and that is it.

  26. Rana Ali

    On October 3, 2009 at 3:40 pm


    hahah man u guys are crazy,AND im confused im rajput not 6/4 but 6 ft and i live in Pakistanand speak many persian words hell its part of my language or my language is based on persian.But who know dude all tht happened thousands of years back, the indians dude mere 2 percent indians are aryan or sythian rest the dravidians black guy fat noses and small heights lol.some call rajputs aryans some say sycthian dont know who to believe.and b the way my ancestors was Rana who joined Sultan Mahmud of Ghazni and joined islam and he had 4 sons who got there own land.So after 1947 most of us came to Pakistan so man the only thing i can tell abt my ancestory is tht they were brave honorable people lived and died my the sword,or the sword the horse and the son thts wat i know of my people,and still we people r known as honorable warrior people.indians call us aryans internet says we r scythians?(Ali 19)

  27. Mustafa Shah Kirmani

    On October 21, 2009 at 1:51 am


    hi, i am not of scythian descent, i am a pakistani, however 12 generations ago, my family moved from iran, post-islamic, my ancestors have not been very ancient in the region as jats or rajputs, however i know tht most panjabis are scythians like kambohs, jatts, rajputs, gujjars, awans (claim direct descent from ukraine) and arrains, my mom is an arrain (comes from the word aryan) and her grandfather was tall, with a a ruddy white complexion and had blue eyes, and known to be good looking, and my grandfather also always mentions how he sees ppl who could be mistaken for germans, when he goes to his village, panjabis and pakistanis in india have always been known to be fairer, taller and have had more prominent features than the other ppls of india, in fact the british always used to identify the panjabis as \”more akin to the afghans than any meek hindu race they have now settled amongst\”,, their scythian ancestry has also played a huge role in them being noted as the strongest and militarily able ppl in the whole of india, more than the hindus, the british knew this and that is why they only chose nw indian ppls to join their military like the panjabis and the pathans, there is also another tribe among the panjabis called the kambohs, who r also supposedly scythian people and ruled afghanistan long ago, the sikh ones claim descent from central asia, while the muslim ones tell tht they are the descendants of the ancient sassanians, and after the arab conquest the sassanians escaped and settled in panjab, throughout india they are noted for being towering, with fair complexions like the moon, handsome and light eyed, and their women have been noted for their beauty since ancient times, it is more likely they are a scythian race and did not descend from the sassanians (medes/parthians=persian)

  28. Mustafa Shah Kermani

    On October 21, 2009 at 1:53 am


    hi, i am not of scythian descent, i am a pakistani, however 12 generations ago, my family moved from iran, post-islamic, my ancestors have not been very ancient in the region as jats or rajputs, however i know tht most panjabis are scythians like kambohs, jatts, rajputs, gujjars, awans (claim direct descent from ukraine) and arrains, my mom is an arrain (comes from the word aryan) and her grandfather was tall, with a a ruddy white complexion and had blue eyes, and known to be good looking, and my grandfather also always mentions how he sees ppl who could be mistaken for germans, when he goes to his village, panjabis and pakistanis in india have always been known to be fairer, taller and have had more prominent features than the other ppls of india, in fact the british always used to identify the panjabis as \”more akin to the afghans than any meek hindu race they have now settled amongst\”,, their scythian ancestry has also played a huge role in them being noted as the strongest and militarily able ppl in the whole of india, more than the hindus, the british knew this and that is why they only chose nw indian ppls to join their military like the panjabis and the pathans, there is also another tribe among the panjabis called the kambohs, who r also supposedly scythian people and ruled afghanistan long ago, the sikh ones claim descent from central asia, while the muslim ones tell tht they are the descendants of the ancient sassanians, and after the arab conquest the sassanians escaped and settled in panjab, throughout india they are noted for being towering, with fair complexions like the moon, handsome and light eyed, and their women have been noted for their beauty since ancient times, it is more likely they are a scythian race and did not descend from the sassanians (medes/parthians=persian)

  29. Man from Michigan

    On November 27, 2009 at 4:42 pm


    I came to this website trying to find out about Scythians–just out of intellectual curiosity. Instead I found a bunch of self-glorifying idiots posting messages. Get a life!

  30. Vikram

    On January 3, 2010 at 11:45 am


    All these bufoons who are claiming that they are scythians(my reference to jats from indiaor ancient sapt sindhu region) dont even know who jats are in reality .Stupid guys jats are not scythians. NOW COMING TO JAT THEORY WHICH IS OBSESSED WITH THEIR SCYTHIAN LINEAGE.
    when the british found that the jats was a supreme indian martial race they immediately gave them the Scythian lineage as the scythains were considered the forefathers of anglo saxons and were known for their martial spirit.With the british designs to give their lineage to all things indian also contributed to them giving the jats an aryan scythian lineage according to their aryan invasion theory cooked up by them.Whearas jats are known to be the original inhabitants of the sapt sindhu region.The theory is other way around it is the indian tribes and their different races which migrated eastwards and not westwards as claimed by europeans historians.
    The indian civilazations are now found to be in the harappan region dating back to the time 12000bc which is way before their was any civilization anywhere in the world. And jats of harappan region have been the original inhabitants of these lands and later on they started their migrations westwards so all the martial tribes and races of the central asia ,europe(anglo saxons) germans etc have been the decendents of jats from this region.Now scthians or jats as many believe came to india much after alexanders invasion but alexander had to fight the great jats of india and was severely wounded and went into coma for one week and later on had to call of his campiagn.Now how did alexander fight the jats ???????? if the scythians came to india in the form of jats much later.

  31. Sherclan

    On February 16, 2010 at 10:19 am


    The thing is Scythians didn’t show up recently. Scythians aka Jatts were already living in Northwestern India even during the time of the ancient Indus Civilization and before that. So Jatts were already in the region during and before the creation of Indus Valley Culture. Scythian Empire on the other hand was formed during the same time as the Parthian, Median, and other Persian Empires that sprung up recently, before the Hunnic/Turkish/Mongol invasions. Back then they weren’t called Scythians. I am pretty sure they were called Sakas and Jatts. Sakas and Jatts are mentioned in the Indian Epic Mahabharata which was formed before the formation of the Scythian Empire. So ancient Sakas and Jatts were already living in Northwestern India, as well as Central Asia. Once the Turkic tribes from Altai Mountains started pushing downwards, Scythian Empire was dismantled and Scythians spread out. Scythians actually spread even before that. Towards Western Asia and all the way to Europe. Scythians were part of the armies of both the Indians as well as Persians. Alexander the Macedonian was stabbed in the chest by a warrior Jatt. I think he stabbed him with a spear and another doctor of ancient India saved his life. I am guessing Greek and other historians agree with this fact. I am not saying a Scythian is better than anybody else or vice versa. I am giving credit to them for being warriors. Everybody here be proud of your roots, but at the same time lets not claim superiority over another. It makes us look like massive fools. We have to respect people for what they are, all of us were created by God. Men turns into real warriors when they fight to save innocent beings from harm or death.

  32. Sherclan

    On February 16, 2010 at 11:25 am


    About the Aryan Invasion theory, it isn’t a fact. Its faulty and cannot be trusted. Aryans invading India around 1500 B.C and created the vedas is laughable. I dont know why its in the history books at all. Ancient India already had the Vedic Civilization flourishing in 1500 B.C and way before that. I agree it made up by the Colonial British and a German with a racist mind, I think it was Max Muller. People should stop following the words of racists. They’d blatantly lie and make claims about something that they dont even know about. The meaning of the word Arya is sanskrit is truthful. Ancient Indians who wrote the vedas didn’t have blonde hair and blue eyes as some racists claim.

  33. Sherclan

    On February 18, 2010 at 1:53 am


    I take back the part about Max Muller being a racist. I shouldn’t have jumped into conclusions. I researched into Max Mullers biography and found out that he was against racism. He was against the idea of Aryans having blonde hair and blue eyes. The real racists were Hitler and other fanatics who made up those false claims. If Max Muller were alive today I am sure he’d agree with me about the fact that Vedas and other ancient Hindu texts were created by ancient Indians.

  34. John

    On March 29, 2010 at 9:32 pm


    Wow, I’m so sick and tired of hearing and reading, “The Jews are God’s chosen people.” Hey people, you ignorant, short-sighted people, get this through your thick skulls; ‘The Jews’ are only ONE tribe of ISRAEL. The word ‘JEW’ didn’t even exist until the book of Kings in the bible. ‘Jew’ comes from ‘Judah,’ ya know, THE TRIBE OF JUDAH, the SOUTHERN KINGDOM? Yes, Jews are God’s chosen people, but not all Jews are Israelites and not all Israelites are JEWS. All the tribes of Israel/Judah are God’s chosen people.

    When the Israelite tribes first entered into modern day Palestine, they were united. After living as one nation, they split apart, forming TWO nations (they’re both of the same race/stock). The Northern Kingdom, which was called ISRAEL in the bible, consisted of 10 tribes. The Southern Kingdom, which was called JUDAH, consisted of two tribes (Judah and Benjamin, and some of the Levites).

    I’ve had about enough of hearing people write “The Jews” as meaning all of Israel, when it DOESN’T!!!! Jews and Israelites are NOT ALWAYS interchangeable. Please educate yourself if you’re a ‘Christian.’ Prophesy might make much more sense to you AFTER you have learned the difference between JEWS (Judah) and THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  35. Samil BILGIC

    On May 1, 2010 at 5:54 pm


    Those who study enough anbout the scythians (Skit-saka) see that this ancient civilisation is nomadic, warrior, central-asian, a mix of clans of pro-turkic/mongol/persian origin, before they became who they are today with all their continuing differences. No sensible mind would think they had their own Adam and Eva, or their own monkey to be a scythian. Needing to belong to a big family to solve ones identity problems find I a too cheap and unnecessary way. Wa are all very closely related, and our race is only 120 000 years old, and today a result of thousands of inter-migrations and re-meeting and re-mixing of the same people, with all their in between formed nice differences.
    I am of turkish origin, but it doesn’t make non-turcic people my enemy. We are all family, come on, be sensible.

  36. Rajput1

    On June 21, 2010 at 9:21 am


    I suggest you guys read this link for – http://rajputana.htmlplanet.com/scy_raj/scy_raj1.html

    There are lots of if and buts in history, instead of trying to prove each other wrong, lets admit that there are things known & there are things unknown.

    Lets try & find the unknown.

  37. mikey

    On August 17, 2010 at 2:11 am


    First of all Scythians, Sarmatians, Cimmerians were all White people not Turks. They have many descendants and we know exactly who they are, everyone with R1a1 y-dna. There are no pure blood Scythians or Sarmatians left in existence today, but there is places with predominantly Scythian blood like Lusatian Serbia (in eastern germany in and around saxony), Poland, Ukraine, Northwestern India, Iran, Punjab etc. and to a far lesser degree in all Slavic lands, Scandinavia, Germany, Kazahkstan, Afghanistan, the Altai, Siberia etc.
    The pure blood ancient Scythians were 100% white just like ancient persians and the ancient indo-aryans were 100% white. The proof is R1a1 y-dna, it’s closest genetic relative is R1b which is Celtic y-dna throughout western europe, who also called themselves aryans. Ireland comes from the root word eire which is a derivative of the word aryan, Ireland means aryan land. Scythians were of ancient Iranian (white) stock, spoke an Iranian language, their religion was the pre-zoroastrian pagan religion. At those Kurgans all of you like to go on about, look at all the relics found with animal designs, that is distinctly Iranian art. Scythians were Indo-Europeans get over it. They never were turks but some of there descendants are considered turkish these days because they were absorbed later by turco-mongol tribes after the scythian empire fell apart. There is a few linguistic roots shared with turks but it is because of the scythian empires close proximity to the turkish speaking homeland in China, it is common sense that they traded with each other. Sarmatians even used tamga but trust me they were not turks. In fact the turkish homeland in china has white admixture which is very obvious by looking at them (Uhygurs I believe) because they have a little Tocharian (white) blood in them. All Scythian, Sarmatian and Tocharian mummies they found were white, proven by dna and the Indo-european relics found with them.
    Google scythian ice maiden or tocharian mummies, you can see several youtube videos of documentaries of aryan mummies found in the Altai and China of white Aryans.
    Turkish peoples may have absorbed some of the north eastern remnants of the scythian empire but turks never were scythian and still aren’t. There are culture similarities do to close proximity and the turks absorbing them. The language, pagan religion and asiatic blood of the ancient turks have no relation to scythians at all.
    Proof scythians were white, the highest concentration (76%) of R1a1 y-dna belongs to lusatian serbs (sorbs, wends) very pale white people. The parts of Iran and India with high concentrations are also the lighter skinned whitest looking of their populations like the farsi and the brahmins.
    You will notice R1a1 scythian blood distributed throughout all
    Slavic and Iranian lands.
    All greek and roman accounts (the earliest written documentation) of Scythians and Sarmatians say they were similar to the ancient persians (white).

  38. mikey

    On August 17, 2010 at 2:22 am


    I forgot to mention the Ossetians or Alani as they call themselves. Said to be descendants of the Alans (a Scytho-Sarmatian tribe) and caucasus peoples they absorbed.They are the only ones to keep their Alan culture and language. Ossetian (both North and South) are of the Iranian branch of the Indo-european language family. Ossetians are also white.
    Ossetians/Alans are white just like their scythian/sarmatian ancestors, they are not turkish by blood, language, culture or religion.

  39. Virendra

    On August 29, 2010 at 12:29 pm


    Mr. Sycthian,

    It is the genetic research only to have proven that the conclusion of relating Sycthians, Aryans,Huns etc with the origin of Rajputs and other northwestern Indian people is nothing more than an ill supported hypothesis.
    About the R1a haplo group you mentioned, please read the research paper produced by Geneticists Toomas Kivisild and Sanghamitra Sahoo in 2006 – http://www.pnas.org/content/103/4/843.full
    The paper busts this theory’s lack of credibility. The theory was a hasty and imaginary inference based on selective findings that were otherwise insufficient to scientifically reach a conclusion.

    Also, noted Anthropologist, Sir Herbert Risley, writes on Page 60 of his book, People of India:
    . . . we have good historical reason for believing that the scythian invaders of India came from a region occupied exclusively by broad headed races and must themselves have belonged to that type. They were by all accounts, nations or, hordes of horsemen with broad faces and high cheek bones, and short and sturdy of stature, . . . . In their original homes in central Asia steppes their manner of life was that of pastoral nomads, and their instincts were of the predatory order. It seems therefore prima facie, unlikely that there descendants are to be looked for, among those tribes who are essentially of the long headed type (Rajputs), settled agriculturists with no tradition of nomadic or marauding past.

    Rajputs with all their origin are indigenous to India.

  40. daku

    On September 4, 2010 at 1:39 am


    im jatt and 5\\\’11\\\” when go to india i tower over most other indians except jatt,khatris,some rajput…..i have friends from distinct parts of punjab(jatts) who average 6\\\’2\\\” ….most indians are skinny dark little shrimps….. my ancestors look like germans more than anything…..i consider myself short for jatt but tall for indian by any means

  41. husayn

    On September 5, 2010 at 11:29 am


    My name is Husayn a indian muslim and both my mom and dads sides are iraqi! none of them look like sikh or punjabi hindus my dad’s grandmother or great grandmother was from madras and my dad is fair very beautiful straight nose i have not seen this in alot of the arrogant punjabi sikhs and hindus sure some of u guys are fair but your facial features are handsome some are ans alot are not i have noticed with punjabi people particularly with them their faces are very jagged and the noses have weird humps on it. this rana ali talks rubbish about the dravidians not all are very dark rana the dravidians are actually from the dark elamite race who were neither indo aryan neither caucasian they come from ham and sam sons of Noah!they were negroid in type but not having kinky hair but straight to wavy they were the first to inhabit the iranian paninsula in the yr 2700bc and they were absorbed my the medes ans before them the kassites u hindu type aryans yes u are very arrogant u have not seen beautiful in your whole life many farsi people also are dark like my self and have soft features whereas the saka type people have very hard looking faces i can tell the difference between farsi people and saka people check iraqi soccer and iranian soccer u will not see the players looking like ugly jagged faced punjabis no our people have beautiful soft faces with symetrical features our faces are very different Abu hanifa who was a sunni persian was from pars province in iran he was born in kufa he was tall dark and very handsome u people have not seen anything in your whole life

  42. husayn

    On September 5, 2010 at 11:35 am


    My name is Husayn a indian muslim and both my mom and dads sides are iraqi! none of them look like sikh or punjabi hindus my dad’s grandmother or great grandmother was from madras and my dad is fair very beautiful straight nose i have not seen this in alot of the arrogant punjabi sikhs and hindus sure some of u guys are fair but your facial features are not handsome some are and alot are not i have noticed with punjabi people particularly with them their faces are very jagged and the noses have weird humps on it. this rana ali talks rubbish about the dravidians not all are very dark rana the dravidians are actually from the dark elamite race who were neither indo aryan neither caucasian they come from ham and sam sons of Noah!they were negroid in type but not having kinky hair but straight to wavy they were the first to inhabit the iranian paninsula in the yr 2700bc and they were absorbed my the medes ans before them the kassites u hindu type aryans yes u are very arrogant u have not seen beautiful in your whole life many farsi people also are dark like my self and have soft features whereas the saka type people have very hard looking faces i can tell the difference between farsi people and saka people check iraqi soccer and iranian soccer u will not see the players looking like ugly jagged faced punjabis no our people have beautiful soft faces with symetrical features our faces are very different Abu hanifa who was a sunni persian was from pars province in iran he was born in kufa he was tall dark and very handsome u people have not seen anything in your whole life read this corrected version of above post which i made few errors

  43. husayn

    On September 5, 2010 at 12:03 pm


    I am sure glad to be a Muslim because we do not believe in any race being superior the best one is the one in piety not looks or color this is negative thinking! if the punjabi hindus (sikhs)behave this way can u imagine how they treated people when they first entered India but this scythian talking all his rubbish where are u arrogant people now u did eventually get your butts roasted and toasted by the persians yes there are traces of u found in iran still but u can tell the difference right away in the facial features most of u are found in the east india this region afghanistan as well.the farsi people are from madai and u are from magog! i cannot stand this arrogance what kind of religion is hinduism when it teaches a person to look down on others?sikhs are hindus in fact if u want to see how the ancient hindus behave look at the sikhs they carry the true behavior of the hindus of old! very arrogant scythian correct yourself lose your pride and follow the religion of our forefather Prophet Adam PBH(Islam) we are all human beings! and brothers what kind of belief do u have when u are dividing the people according to race color rubbish Prophet Moses PBH was dark complexioned and more gorgeous than any of u hindu scythians Rana u are a muslim ? fix your attitude a muslim should never criticize any person Allah is the Creator the Fashioner He created us all and gave us different colors and races what a blessing i will continue to talk roughly with the arrogant sikh and hindus until they change their behavior! all nations have had their share of success and many also fell eventually the scyths were defeated so get over yourself how many thousands of yrs ago was that? again you got roasted by the farsi empire medes than the persian kicke your butts

  44. husayn

    On September 6, 2010 at 11:11 pm


  45. rasheed

    On September 10, 2010 at 4:35 am


    Yeah scythians ruled south russia and the balkan if correct then they came to what we know as iran and defeated my people the medes ruled 4 28yrs yes no doubt but again they were defeated they are not farsi people!but another indo aryan race with similar language farsi people come from madai scythians come from magog yes the ones that stayed in iran got assimilated but most are in east in india afganistan east balochistan and their features are not as pretty as us farsi people their faces the indian scyths have very sharp jagged faces whereas the farsi people have a softer feature and thank Allah 4 making us muslims

  46. As-Allon

    On September 11, 2010 at 9:05 pm


    I am myself an ossetian.This name came from Assatta-the cast of priests in ossetian past. Alans were also known as As according to historical sources-and we ourselves call our priest cast at the same time Assata(Assoun) or Alagata(Allon)-which means Truthfull and Supremes!As in ossetian means Sacred Truth so Assata is a religious term and Allon is ethnic and social(Al means High or Supreme in ossetian!) When i red the list of Jat clans in Wiki a was sure that we are of one stock!!! Asiagh or Assoun in ossetian means simply Ossetian!!! Dagur is Digur tribe of ossetians!!! Takhar is Tagaur tribe !!! Gujjar is ossetian Guda tribe who lives in Gudjaret ! Ahir is the same as Ir(variotion of Al) e.t.c. Rajputs/ Jats and other brothers of ossetians-lets ressurect our ancient unity!!!

  47. jatt

    On September 14, 2010 at 9:47 pm


    hi as-allon,

    interesting stuff. i don’t no if ‘a’ in assata is silent because sat in my language means truth and it also means supreme and sacha will mean truthful. i didn’t know if we shared last names with u people but i knew that we shared them with other europeans perhaps because of goths and jutes etc.

  48. AS-ALLON

    On September 15, 2010 at 7:35 pm


    tO JATT! IF YOU ARE INTERESTING IN OSSETIANS -VISIT OSSETIANS.COM OR IF YOU A MEMBER OF PUNJABI.NET(SEARCH ME “OSSETIAN” ) WE CAN TALK THERE! I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT WE ARE OF ONE STOCK!!!

  49. jatt

    On September 16, 2010 at 6:09 am


    hi as-allon,

    i just been on ossetians.com but i have not registered there yet and i tried but failed to go on punjabi.net. i will get in touch with u later.

  50. As-Allon

    On September 16, 2010 at 5:52 pm


    Jatt! So glad that you answered!we can talk here…or i can give you my mail here but it can be used by spam machines… or panturkists:) or go on ossetians.com on comments and wishes page.it don need registration. or register on panjubi.net or where you usualy a forum member! it will be great to communicate with you and your people! i aknowledge that you have a fortin India called Asirgar ! it’s the same as village Asirger on Caucasus! may they both a relatives with Asgard!:)

  51. jatt

    On September 18, 2010 at 2:42 am


    hello as-allon,

    i am not a student of history etc. so don’t know for sure if asirgarh for certain is a jatt fort it may be fort of the ahirs but in any case it belongs to one of the scythian tribes. but one thing is for sure that with all our last names and major tribe names that we are related people. perhaps u people are still living in the same area while we moved much further down south

  52. As-Allon

    On September 21, 2010 at 6:39 pm


    Yes! I agree completely! its commonly accepted by academic sciense-that ossetians are desendents of scytho-sarmatians! Scythians called themselves Asagtta /Sagta/Sakka (scutta in greek prononsation and their country Asakana(Ascania in latin). But !-scythians occupaid hole Eurasia and were great in number-so it cant be only ossetians of 700 000 in number who survived of them! Of course they migrated to Hindustan and lives there till our days-still of great in number!!!

  53. Angel_GW

    On September 23, 2010 at 11:04 pm


    We scythians need be silent or we all perish .
    Yes i agree the world without schytian race remain in neanderthaal stage :) THX bros .
    Silence pls ,bros .

  54. As-Allon

    On September 24, 2010 at 2:33 pm


    JATT! DO YOU KNOW SOME JATT HISTORIANS WHO CAN PROFESSIONALY MAKE RESEARCHERS WITH OSSETIAN HISTORIANS? IF SP IT WOUL BE GREAT!

  55. jatt

    On September 29, 2010 at 8:52 pm


    helo as-allon,

    unfotunately i don’t know any jatt historian personally while they definitely are out there, but i think it is very very important and all these people who appear to belong to the scythians, saka, gutiana, guti, gutium, getae, gete, massagetae, tyrragetae, yuezie, jatts, goths and jutes and jamte etc. should pool their resources together and make a constant effort to find out the truth. i believe as more encient toms etc are found of these people the artifacts and dna evaluation will eventually enable us to know more with accuracy.

    there is a something about us jatt people, when we get really angry at someone we will very naturally threaten the opponent saying ” i will drink ur blood” and as we all know that in olden times scythians use to drink the blood of their fallen enemy and i believe that is where this saying really comes from

  56. Saka Aryan

    On November 7, 2010 at 2:52 pm


    I dont jump into conclusion but Pashtuns are direct descendant of Sakas
    Hilmand and Nimroz were called Sakastan which means land of sakas today its called Sistan.
    They live up to their reputation as fierce fighters, have their pre islamic tribal codes, and the language is an Indo aryan language related to Avestan languages and its the closest language to OSSETIANS languages .
    Saka in pashtu means blood brother and there is a tribe named Sakahzai.
    Jatts and Ossetians are the other descendants that I am aware of.
    It was so painful to read all those comments and yet no one mentioned Afghans.
    Afghans are not Persians, they are various Aryan tribes.
    Rostom who is now ironically national hero of Iran was a SAKA from southern Afghanistan.

  57. mullah omar

    On November 12, 2010 at 11:46 pm


    To Saka Aryan

    Do you mean those ugly islamist terrorists (pashtun taliban) are direct descendant of Scythians??? . No man , pashtuns and all afghans are mixed peoples . you cannot call everyone who lives in afghanistan an afghan . afghanistan means afghan+uzbek+balouch+pashtun+tajik+turk+mongol and…

    Do not forget your people mixed with arabs too . just look at the mirror . after this Don’t call those cave men direct descendants of Scythians! . those assholes are a disgrace to the human race . Scythians lived from north west of china to central europe not only in present afghanistan and I think you know what I mean!

  58. husayn

    On January 31, 2011 at 11:56 am


    Mitochondrial DNA analysis on a 2500 year-old skeleton excavated from a Scythian kurgan at the Kizil site in the Altai Republic casts doubt on the theory of Pashtun descent from Scythians. Results showed the remains to be a member of haplogroup N1a.[72] This haplogroup is spread widely across Eurasia and northeast Africa in low frequencies but is not currently identified in Pashtuns. Precise matches to the Scythian skeleton are found in Yemen, Armenia, Egypt, Germany, and Estonia. Additionally:

    * Mitochondrial DNA extracted from two Scytho-Siberian skeletons (Altai Republic (Russia) dating back 2,500 years) show characteristics “of mixed Euro-Mongoloid origin”. (”European” in this context means Western Eurasian).[73] One of the individuals was found to carry the F2a maternal lineage, and the other the D lineage, both of which are characteristic of East Eurasian populations.[74]

    * Maternal genetic analysis (of Saka period male and female skeletal remains, Beral site Kazakhstan) determined an HV1 mitochondrial sequence in the male (most frequent in European populations) and the HV1 sequence of the female to be of an Asian origin. It was suggested that the female may have derived from either mtDNA X or D.[75]

    * Y-Chromosome DNA testing (ancient Scythian skeletons dated to the 5th century BCE, Sebÿstei site) exhibited the R1a1 haplogroup. A search in the YHRD database as well as the researching scientists’ own database revealed close matches were found for a haplotype found at high frequency in Altaians & among eastern Europeans and Central Anatolia. Other haplotype matches closely matched types in Poland, Germany, Anatolia, Armenia, Nepal and India.[76]

    From these and many other studies it is thus conclusive that genetic makeup of Scythians and Scythian hybrids does( not match Pasthun DNA._
    wikipedia

  59. Adi Gill

    On February 27, 2011 at 6:15 pm


    I am a Gill from the father and raj put from the mother. I’m 6 feet tall and my brothers are 6.4 and 6.3- Even our sisters are taller than average Indians.

    We have long noses and lighter skin. I believe even after centuries gone by we still look different than other races in India and Pakistan.

    My family appearance clearly distinguishes us from other local people. If we are not Scythian. Why do we look so different.

  60. sandhu

    On March 5, 2011 at 5:29 am


    Husayn my friend , I guess you shud correct yourself you are pointing out scythians as north indian hindus and sikhs that’s not true not all people from north india are related to scyths only high class rajputs and jatts.we are not discussing religion here we are looking at lineage decent and geneology, you might have seen some north indians in south india with jagged faces and hump on their noses but if u wanna see a real jatt sikh my mate come to the fields of punjab where the jatts decendents of scythians reside they are very friendly, hardworking,honest,humble and brave not like u said abt someone who was a arrogant sikh whom u might have met in south india.

  61. Amir Timur

    On January 23, 2012 at 6:19 am


    Stupids.You claim Scythians are Iranian but how can you prove it.They\’re all Turk.

    Yaşa Uzbek Scythian.Sav bol

  62. husayn

    On January 27, 2012 at 11:49 pm


    Kurds are from medes
    Nebuchadnezzar II was the eldest son, and successor, of Nabopolassar, who delivered Babylon from its dependence on Assyria and laid Nineveh in ruins. According to Berossus, some years before he became king of Babylon, ((((Nebuchadnezzar II married Amytis of Media, the daughter or granddaughter of Cyaxares, king of the Medes, and thus the Median and Babylonian dynasties were united.)))))) There are also conflicting accounts of Nitocris of Babylon either being his wife or daughter. Nabopolassar was intent on annexing the western provinces of Syria from Necho II (who was still hoping to restore Assyrian power), and to this end dispatched his son westward with a powerful army. In the ensuing Battle of Carchemish in 605 BC, the Egyptian army was defeated and driven back, and Syria and Phoenicia were brought under the control of Babylon. Nabopolassar died in August of that year, and Nebuchadnezzar returned to Babylon to ascend to the throne.

    After the defeat of the Cimmerians and Scythians,(((( all of Nebuchadnezzar’s expeditions were directed westwards, although the powerful Median empire lay to the north. Nebuchadnezzar’s political marriage to Amytis of Media, the daughter of the Median king, had ensured peace between the two empires.))))))))))))))

    from wikipdeia

  63. husayn

    On January 27, 2012 at 11:50 pm


    Y-DNA Haplogroups in Iraqi Kurdistan

    (J2 – 28.4% semitic)

    R1b – 16.8%

    I – 16.8%

    R1a – 11.6%

    (J1 – 11.6% semitic)

    E1b1b – 7.4%

    G – 4.2%

    T – 3.2

  64. husayn

    On January 27, 2012 at 11:53 pm


    Iraqi Kurds In human genetics, Haplogroup J (previously known as HG9 or Eu9/Eu10) is a Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup.

    In human genetics, Haplogroup J (previously known as HG9 or Eu9/Eu10) is a Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup. It is one of the major male lines of all living men. It is divided into two main branches referred to as J1 and J2. wikipedia))))

    The relationship of the five modal haplotypes that were found in the six populations is presented in figure 3. The most-frequent haplotype in all three Jewish groups (the CMH [haplotype 159 in the Appendix]) segregated on a Eu 10 background, together with the three modal haplotypes in Palestinians and Bedouin (haplotypes 144, 151, and 166).((( The dominant haplotype of the Muslim Kurds (haplotype 114) was only one microsatellite-mutation step apart from the CMH and the modal haplotype of the Bedouin, but it belonged to haplogroup Eu 9. )))The three modal haplotypes in the Palestinians and Bedouin were entirely restricted to the two Arab populations. On the other hand, chromosomes with the modal haplotypes of the Jews and of the Muslim Kurds were observed in all the populations except the Bedouin. The three Jewish communities had many additional haplotypes in common with Muslim Kurds (table 3). They shared more haplotypes and chromosomes with Muslim Kurds than with either Palestinians or Bedouin.

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929707613251#sc2.1.

  65. husayn

    On January 27, 2012 at 11:55 pm


    Many Kurds have the “Jewish” Cohen Modal Haplotype

    In the 1990s, a team of scientists (including the geneticist Michael Hammer, the nephrologist Karl Skorecki, and their colleagues in England) discovered the existence of a haplotype which they termed the “Cohen modal haplotype” (abbreviated as CMH). Cohen is the Hebrew word for “priest”, and designates descendants of Judean priests from two thousand years ago. Initial research indicated that while only about 3 percent of general Jews have this haplotype, 45 percent of Ashkenazic Cohens have it, while 56 percent of Sephardic Cohens have it. David Goldstein, an evolutionary geneticist at Oxford University, said: “It looks like this chromosomal type was a constituent of the ancestral Hebrew population.” Some Jewish rabbis used the Cohen study to argue that all Cohens with the CMH had descended from Aaron, a High Priest who lived about 3500 years ago, as the Torah claimed. Shortly after, it was determined that 53 percent of the Buba clan of the Lemba people of southern Africa have the CMH, compared to 9 percent of non-Buba Lembas. The Lembas claim descent from ancient Israelites, and they follow certain Jewish practices such as circumcision and refraining from eating pork, and for many geneticists and historians the genetic evidence seemed to verify their claim.

    However, it soon became apparent that the CMH is not specific to Jews or descendants of Jews. In a 1998 article in Science News, Dr. Skorecki indicated (in an interview) that some non-Jews also possess the Cohen markers, and that the markers are therefore not “unique or special”.(((((( The CMH is very common among Iraqi Kurds, according to a 1999 study by C. Brinkmann et al.)))))))))) And in her 2001 article, Oppenheim wrote: “The dominant haplotype of the Muslim Kurds (haplotype 114) was only one microsatellite-mutation step apart from the CMH…” (Oppenheim 2001, page 1100). Furthermore, the CMH is also found among some Armenians, according to Dr. Levon Yepiskoposyan (Head of the Institute of Man in Yerevan, Armenia), who has studied genetics for many years. Dr. Avshalom Zoossmann-Diskin wrote: “The suggestion that the ‘Cohen modal haplotype’ is a signature haplotype for the ancient Hebrew population is also not supported by data from other populations.” (Zoossmann-Diskin 2000, page 156).

    In short, the CMH is a genetic marker from the northern Middle East which is not unique to Jews. However, its existence among many Kurds and Armenians, as well as some Italians and Hungarians, would seem to support the overall contention that Kurds and Armenians are the close relatives of modern Jews and that the majority of today’s Jews have paternal ancestry from the northeastern Mediterranean region.

  66. rasheed

    On March 24, 2012 at 5:45 pm


    on 03/10/11 i dreamt of the Prophet PBH talking to Abu Bakr Siddique RA and was asking him(Abu Bakr SiddiqueRA) about the Pashtun people he Abu Bakr RA said I am lighter than them in color but they are the same as us he and the Prophet PBH
    also i have dreamt of myself and a punjabi guy i know and i was told i am not the only one from a royal family(also semitic people have settled these areas )

  67. husayn

    On March 24, 2012 at 5:53 pm


    joktan(QaHtaan)
    ·

    Josephus says that Joktan of the Hebrews had thirteen sons: Elmodad, Saleph, Asermoth, Jera, Adoram, Aizel, Decla, Ebal, Abimael, Sabeus,(( Ophir)), Eulat, and Jobab. He says that these people inhabited Asia from the Indian River, Cophen, and the lands surrounding it. This is modern Kabul and the valley of its river. The land further towards the Indus is Bactria. Thus, if that is the fact of the matter they seemingly moved through the Arabian Peninsular and most went on to India. The result could be the composite groups of Joktan in what is Afghanistan, Gather in Bactria and then Lud in the Punjab. The Semitic Haplogroup H in India(((((((( But the highest frequencies of H-M69 are in India, especially among Dravidians (33%).[5] In Koya speakers (Dravidian tribes) has been found in 71%.wikipedia))))) would then be derived from a mutation that occurred among the Hebrews of Joktan and the Semites of Lud. The golden wedge of Ophir refers to the lands of one of the sons of Joktan who settled in Afghanistan or India, and thus the area of Ophir may be from the Hindu Cush into India or perhaps, even more likely, Sri Lanka (Ceylon) (see also below).

    Afghan and other Pashtun

    The Wikipedia article on Pashtuns says they would appear to be primarily of Iranian origin, but have similarities with Persians, Kurds, Tajiks and Baluchis.

    Pashto-speaking Pashtuns (or Pukhtuns, depending on dialect) and are found in southern and eastern Afghanistan and western Pakistan. These Pashtuns also became intermingled with others groups, such as the Ghilzai (who possibly mingled with Turkic tribes), the Durrani (who interacted with the Tajiks), and Pashtun tribes north of Peshawar (who mingled with Dardic groups).

    The article went on to say that from the first to the fifth century BCE huge migrations of peoples from Aryans, Persians, Sakas, Scythians, Kushans, Huns, and Greeks moved into the regions where the Pashtuns lived. Later invaders were Muslim Arabs, Central Asian Turkic tribes and Mongols.

    The anthropological evidence that the Pashto-speaking Pashtuns are an Indo-European Caucasoid people, who are related to other Iranian groups and to speakers of the Kalasha and Nuristanis languages, is by no means conclusive. So far the testing has not shown any substantial connection between the Pashtun population sampled to the genetic markers found amongst most Greeks, Jews, or Arabs. The answer may be that Pashtuns have been slightly modified over time by various invaders and mixes as mentioned above. Yet they have kept their eastern Iranian base genetically overall.

    There would thus also be Japhethitic R1a and R1b and Hamitic C YDNA present.

    Many conclusions concerning the Semites come from the premise that the Semitic Haplogroups are all J as found among the three populations mentioned.

    The Pashtun are classified as Iranian, which as we have seen is primarily Haplogroup I which is derived from the Semitic IJ Haplogroup (see below) but they vary as a typical Central Asian composite YDNA grouping. An attempt was made to classify the Pashtun in the 16th century as one of the Bani Israel, of the Lost Ten Tribes and as Joseph. This was debunked based on their Indo-Iranian affinities and language. However, it is an historical fact that the area of Khandahar, Kabul and Bactria also, on the other side of the Hindu Cush, were made provinces or satrapies of the Persian Empire and their languages are thus affected by that fact. The DNA similarities with Elam and their reported historical descent and affinity with Joktan indicate that the original DNA of the Semites, including the Joktan Hebrews, was not J but F and the primary Semitic derivative is I and the secondary derivatives are J, both derived from IJ (based on S2 and S22) and then H and G. All the Eastern Semites of Elam and Joktan were Hg. I, rather than J. Thus these mutations occurred over the second millennium BCE and the extended mathematical models of the evolutionists are wrong.((((((((((((((Note the semitic H ,J and F are found in higher frequency among the dark people of India?. 28% of the Brahui, an ethnic Dravidian speaking group from Western Pakistan were found to carry the mutation defining Haplogroup J. (but brahui are nomads like the Elamites)

    South Asia

    Haplogroup H is fairly common among populations of India, Sri Lanka, Nepal, and Pakistan.(((((( But the highest frequencies of H-M69 are in India, especially among Dravidians (33%).[5] In Koya speakers (Dravidian tribes) has been found in 71%.[6])))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) and it is a fact the oman.yemeni and nabateans traded with southern India)

    In India, Haplogroup H-M69 has been found in 27.2% (110/405) of a sample of unspecified ethnic composition from southern India.[7][8] Another study has found haplogroup H-M69 in 26.4% (192/728) of an ethnically diverse pool of samples from various regions of India.[3]

    In Sri Lanka, Haplogroup H-M69 has been found in 25.3% (23/91) of a sample of unspecified ethnic composition[7][8] and in 10.3% (4/39) of a sample of Sinhalese.[6]

    In Nepal, one study has found Haplogroup H in approximately 12% of a sample of males from the general population of Kathmandu (including 4/77 H1a-M82, 4/77 H1*-M52(xH1a-M82), and 1/77 H*-M69(xH1-M52, H2-Apt)) and in 6% of a sample of Newars (4/66 H1a-M82).[9]

    In Pakistan, Haplogroup H1-M52 has been found in 4.1% Burusho, 20.5% Kalash, 4.2% Pashtun, and 2.5% other Pakistanis.[10] Another study has found haplogroup H in approximately 8% (3/38) of a sample of Burusho (also known as Hunza), including 5% (2/38) H1a*-M82(xH1a1-M36, H1a2-M97, H1a3-M39/M138) and 3% (1/38) H1a1-M36.

    The Durrany and Galzay tribes are held to be direct descendants of the Ibrani or Hebrews and probably of the sons of Joktan. Some also hold the Rabbani, Shinwari, Levani, Deftali, and Jaji from Afghanistan, and the Efridi and Yusufzai from Pakistan to also be Hebrew tribes.

    Where is Cophen?

    Cophen: river in eastern Afghanistan and the western Punjab, the modern Kabul.

    The source of the river Kabul is in the Hindu Kush mountains, not far from the modern city with the same name, the capital of Afghanistan. From here, it flows to the east until it discharges into the Indus, near Attock. It is therefore the natural road to India, and several cities have flourished from trade along the river (e.g., Peucelaotis and modern Peshawar). This photo shows the river near Peshawar, seen to the east.

    wikipedia

    (((((The vast majority of Pashtuns are found between the Hindu Kush mountains in Afghanistan and the Indus River in Pakistan.)))) Additional Pashtun communities are located in western and northern Afghanistan, the Gilgit-Baltistan region and northern Punjab province of Pakistan, as well as in the Khorasan province of Iran. There are also sizable communities in India, which are of largely putative ancestry.[8][22] Smaller Pashtun communities are found in the countries of the Arabian Peninsula, Europe and the Americas, particularly in North America.

    Important metropolitan centers of Pashtun culture include Kandahar, Quetta, Peshawar, Jalalabad, Kunduz and Swat. Kabul and Ghazni are home to around 25% Pashtun population while Herat and Mazar-i-Sharif each has at least 10%.[23] With as high as 7 million by some estimates, the city of Karachi in Pakistan may have the largest concentration of urban Pashtuns in the world.[24][25] In addition, Rawalpindi, Islamabad, and Lahore also have sizable Pashtun populations.[26]

    also my g g g grandfather was pashtun he 100% did not look white his features were more semitic and i have met a jatt muslim from kashmir he was big and he resembled my g g g grandfather and to be honest he did not resemble punjabis i have seen i live in an area where there a lot of punjabis but their facial features are different

  68. husayn

    On March 24, 2012 at 5:54 pm


    joktan(QaHtaan)
    ·

    Josephus says that Joktan of the Hebrews had thirteen sons: Elmodad, Saleph, Asermoth, Jera, Adoram, Aizel, Decla, Ebal, Abimael, Sabeus,(( Ophir)), Eulat, and Jobab. He says that these people inhabited Asia from the Indian River, Cophen, and the lands surrounding it. This is modern Kabul and the valley of its river. The land further towards the Indus is Bactria. Thus, if that is the fact of the matter they seemingly moved through the Arabian Peninsular and most went on to India. The result could be the composite groups of Joktan in what is Afghanistan, Gather in Bactria and then Lud in the Punjab. The Semitic Haplogroup H in India(((((((( But the highest frequencies of H-M69 are in India, especially among Dravidians (33%).[5] In Koya speakers (Dravidian tribes) has been found in 71%.wikipedia))))) would then be derived from a mutation that occurred among the Hebrews of Joktan and the Semites of Lud. The golden wedge of Ophir refers to the lands of one of the sons of Joktan who settled in Afghanistan or India, and thus the area of Ophir may be from the Hindu Cush into India or perhaps, even more likely, Sri Lanka (Ceylon) (see also below).

    Afghan and other Pashtun

    The Wikipedia article on Pashtuns says they would appear to be primarily of Iranian origin, but have similarities with Persians, Kurds, Tajiks and Baluchis.

    Pashto-speaking Pashtuns (or Pukhtuns, depending on dialect) and are found in southern and eastern Afghanistan and western Pakistan. These Pashtuns also became intermingled with others groups, such as the Ghilzai (who possibly mingled with Turkic tribes), the Durrani (who interacted with the Tajiks), and Pashtun tribes north of Peshawar (who mingled with Dardic groups).

    The article went on to say that from the first to the fifth century BCE huge migrations of peoples from Aryans, Persians, Sakas, Scythians, Kushans, Huns, and Greeks moved into the regions where the Pashtuns lived. Later invaders were Muslim Arabs, Central Asian Turkic tribes and Mongols.

    The anthropological evidence that the Pashto-speaking Pashtuns are an Indo-European Caucasoid people, who are related to other Iranian groups and to speakers of the Kalasha and Nuristanis languages, is by no means conclusive. So far the testing has not shown any substantial connection between the Pashtun population sampled to the genetic markers found amongst most Greeks, Jews, or Arabs. The answer may be that Pashtuns have been slightly modified over time by various invaders and mixes as mentioned above. Yet they have kept their eastern Iranian base genetically overall.

    There would thus also be Japhethitic R1a and R1b and Hamitic C YDNA present.

    Many conclusions concerning the Semites come from the premise that the Semitic Haplogroups are all J as found among the three populations mentioned.

    The Pashtun are classified as Iranian, which as we have seen is primarily Haplogroup I which is derived from the Semitic IJ Haplogroup (see below) but they vary as a typical Central Asian composite YDNA grouping. An attempt was made to classify the Pashtun in the 16th century as one of the Bani Israel, of the Lost Ten Tribes and as Joseph. This was debunked based on their Indo-Iranian affinities and language. However, it is an historical fact that the area of Khandahar, Kabul and Bactria also, on the other side of the Hindu Cush, were made provinces or satrapies of the Persian Empire and their languages are thus affected by that fact. The DNA similarities with Elam and their reported historical descent and affinity with Joktan indicate that the original DNA of the Semites, including the Joktan Hebrews, was not J but F and the primary Semitic derivative is I and the secondary derivatives are J, both derived from IJ (based on S2 and S22) and then H and G. All the Eastern Semites of Elam and Joktan were Hg. I, rather than J. Thus these mutations occurred over the second millennium BCE and the extended mathematical models of the evolutionists are wrong.((((((((((((((Note the semitic H ,J and F are found in higher frequency among the dark people of India?. 28% of the Brahui, an ethnic Dravidian speaking group from Western Pakistan were found to carry the mutation defining Haplogroup J. (but brahui are nomads like the Elamites)

    South Asia

    Haplogroup H is fairly common among populations of India, Sri Lanka, Nepal, and Pakistan.(((((( But the highest frequencies of H-M69 are in India, especially among Dravidians (33%).[5] In Koya speakers (Dravidian tribes) has been found in 71%.[6])))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) and it is a fact the oman.yemeni and nabateans traded with southern India)

    In India, Haplogroup H-M69 has been found in 27.2% (110/405) of a sample of unspecified ethnic composition from southern India.[7][8] Another study has found haplogroup H-M69 in 26.4% (192/728) of an ethnically diverse pool of samples from various regions of India.[3]

    In Sri Lanka, Haplogroup H-M69 has been found in 25.3% (23/91) of a sample of unspecified ethnic composition[7][8] and in 10.3% (4/39) of a sample of Sinhalese.[6]

    In Nepal, one study has found Haplogroup H in approximately 12% of a sample of males from the general population of Kathmandu (including 4/77 H1a-M82, 4/77 H1*-M52(xH1a-M82), and 1/77 H*-M69(xH1-M52, H2-Apt)) and in 6% of a sample of Newars (4/66 H1a-M82).[9]

    In Pakistan, Haplogroup H1-M52 has been found in 4.1% Burusho, 20.5% Kalash, 4.2% Pashtun, and 2.5% other Pakistanis.[10] Another study has found haplogroup H in approximately 8% (3/38) of a sample of Burusho (also known as Hunza), including 5% (2/38) H1a*-M82(xH1a1-M36, H1a2-M97, H1a3-M39/M138) and 3% (1/38) H1a1-M36.

    The Durrany and Galzay tribes are held to be direct descendants of the Ibrani or Hebrews and probably of the sons of Joktan. Some also hold the Rabbani, Shinwari, Levani, Deftali, and Jaji from Afghanistan, and the Efridi and Yusufzai from Pakistan to also be Hebrew tribes.

    Where is Cophen?

    Cophen: river in eastern Afghanistan and the western Punjab, the modern Kabul.

    The source of the river Kabul is in the Hindu Kush mountains, not far from the modern city with the same name, the capital of Afghanistan. From here, it flows to the east until it discharges into the Indus, near Attock. It is therefore the natural road to India, and several cities have flourished from trade along the river (e.g., Peucelaotis and modern Peshawar). This photo shows the river near Peshawar, seen to the east.

    wikipedia

    (((((The vast majority of Pashtuns are found between the Hindu Kush mountains in Afghanistan and the Indus River in Pakistan.)))) Additional Pashtun communities are located in western and northern Afghanistan, the Gilgit-Baltistan region and northern Punjab province of Pakistan, as well as in the Khorasan province of Iran. There are also sizable communities in India, which are of largely putative ancestry.[8][22] Smaller Pashtun communities are found in the countries of the Arabian Peninsula, Europe and the Americas, particularly in North America.

    Important metropolitan centers of Pashtun culture include Kandahar, Quetta, Peshawar, Jalalabad, Kunduz and Swat. Kabul and Ghazni are home to around 25% Pashtun population while Herat and Mazar-i-Sharif each has at least 10%.[23] With as high as 7 million by some estimates, the city of Karachi in Pakistan may have the largest concentration of urban Pashtuns in the world.[24][25] In addition, Rawalpindi, Islamabad, and Lahore also have sizable Pashtun populations.[26]

  69. husayn

    On March 24, 2012 at 6:20 pm


    sorry 4 posting info 2times there was some problems posting

  70. husayn

    On March 24, 2012 at 6:27 pm


    Within Haplogroup F, besides the major sub-clades of G, H and IJK, other patrilines can still be detected at a very low frequency among many populations of the southern fringe of Eurasia and Oceania. Haplogroup F-M89 is a “default” haplogroup potentially comprising several lineages.[6] Originally it was believed[by whom?][citation needed] all M89+ men would be found to belong to F descendant haplogroups G-T, but an increasing number of men have continued to test positive only for the mutation that defines F.[7] The F* haplogroup is paraphyletic and rare in most regions.

    In India it is distributed similarly to H.[8] India has a frequency of 12.5%, being the most frequent haplogroup in tribal groups after Haplogroup H. Among tribal groups it is at 18.1%, and among caste groups it is at 9.6%,[6], it is important in panchamas and sudras.[9] So it is important in Tamil Nadu and Andhra Pradesh,[3] in Koya tribes is at 27% and in Sinhalese people 10%.[4]

    It is found in two north Portuguese populations (0.5%) and this may have occurred as a result of admixture since Portugal has significant contacts with India for about 500 years.

  71. Nubian

    On April 18, 2012 at 12:15 am


    What a bunch of morons! All humans are from Africa originally.

    And as for the usual North Indian/Pakistani wannabe Europeans, there are Pakistani and North Indian migrants including Jats/Pastuns in places like Hong Kong/Shanghai/Malaysia and guess what they are regarded as weak and puny by the little Chinese guys. In Europe and US also the police and army recruitment agencies have had to lower their height requirements to accomodate South Asians the majority of who are Jats/Punjabis/Sikhs/North Indian Hindus/Pakistani/Pashtun/Whatever.

    So much for being part of a tall/blonde/blue eyed Aryan/Scynthian/Whatever race.

  72. husayn

    On July 19, 2012 at 10:06 pm


    no all humans are not from africa Prophet Adam when he descended to earth he came to the land mass known as India the ark of Noah came to rest on mount ararat the migration came from east we are descendants of the second Adam (Prophet Noah PBH) the scythians were a indo aryan people a iranic people
    by the way the pashtun are just a mix of rajput and edomite many people are telling lies these days and the iraqi kurds are iranic in origin but carry a overall j dna of 40% 28.4% and 11.6% j1 this is iraq so what about the kurds else where? the kurds also have scythian heritage and medes the medes had alliance with the chaldeans

  73. husayn

    On July 30, 2012 at 7:11 am


    on 03/10/11 i dreamt of the Prophet PBH talking to Abu Bakr Siddique RA and was asking him(Abu Bakr SiddiqueRA) about the Pashtun people he Abu Bakr RA said I am lighter than them in color but they are the same as us he and the Prophet PBH

    if i am correct it edomites people doing dna testing have told lies about the pashtun this edomite face i have dreamt of and i saw faces of the pashtun also i met one jatt muslim from kashmir long time ago he did not resembled the punjabi people who called themselves jatt and i have seen my g g g grandfather who was pashtun he looked like this guy more of a semitic face and on 06/03/12 i dreamt i was wondering about my pashtun forefather( why he resembled the man from kashmir) and i saw something to do with rajput and i saw edomite meaning i saw pashtun,rajput and edomite together

    ( this is true because today i found this 09/06/12 ) Contrary to the theory of Pashtun descent from Israelites, the British doctor and authority on oriental languages, Henry Walter Bellew, accredited for writing the first Pushtu dictionary,[1] suggested that the Pashtuns (Pathans) are actually a mixture of the Greek and Indian Rajput peoples.[2][3]

    Bellew’s theory was that all Pashtun tribal names could be traced to Greek and Rajput names, which posits the further possibility of a great Greek mixing with the ancient border tribes of India.[4][5] In addition, the renowned Arab historian Masudi wrote thatKandahar, the city in which most Pashtuns were concentrated at the time, “is a country of Rajputs” and was a separate kingdom with a non-Muslim ruler. wikipedia

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