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		<title>By: husayn</title>
		<link>http://socyberty.com/subcultures/the-scythians/comment-page-2/#comment-743082</link>
		<dc:creator>husayn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 03:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many Kurds have the &quot;Jewish&quot; Cohen Modal Haplotype

In the 1990s, a team of scientists (including the geneticist Michael Hammer, the nephrologist Karl Skorecki, and their colleagues in England) discovered the existence of a haplotype which they termed the &quot;Cohen modal haplotype&quot; (abbreviated as CMH). Cohen is the Hebrew word for &quot;priest&quot;, and designates descendants of Judean priests from two thousand years ago. Initial research indicated that while only about 3 percent of general Jews have this haplotype, 45 percent of Ashkenazic Cohens have it, while 56 percent of Sephardic Cohens have it. David Goldstein, an evolutionary geneticist at Oxford University, said: &quot;It looks like this chromosomal type was a constituent of the ancestral Hebrew population.&quot; Some Jewish rabbis used the Cohen study to argue that all Cohens with the CMH had descended from Aaron, a High Priest who lived about 3500 years ago, as the Torah claimed. Shortly after, it was determined that 53 percent of the Buba clan of the Lemba people of southern Africa have the CMH, compared to 9 percent of non-Buba Lembas. The Lembas claim descent from ancient Israelites, and they follow certain Jewish practices such as circumcision and refraining from eating pork, and for many geneticists and historians the genetic evidence seemed to verify their claim.

However, it soon became apparent that the CMH is not specific to Jews or descendants of Jews. In a 1998 article in Science News, Dr. Skorecki indicated (in an interview) that some non-Jews also possess the Cohen markers, and that the markers are therefore not &quot;unique or special&quot;.(((((( The CMH is very common among Iraqi Kurds, according to a 1999 study by C. Brinkmann et al.)))))))))) And in her 2001 article, Oppenheim wrote: &quot;The dominant haplotype of the Muslim Kurds (haplotype 114) was only one microsatellite-mutation step apart from the CMH...&quot; (Oppenheim 2001, page 1100). Furthermore, the CMH is also found among some Armenians, according to Dr. Levon Yepiskoposyan (Head of the Institute of Man in Yerevan, Armenia), who has studied genetics for many years. Dr. Avshalom Zoossmann-Diskin wrote: &quot;The suggestion that the &#039;Cohen modal haplotype&#039; is a signature haplotype for the ancient Hebrew population is also not supported by data from other populations.&quot; (Zoossmann-Diskin 2000, page 156).

In short, the CMH is a genetic marker from the northern Middle East which is not unique to Jews. However, its existence among many Kurds and Armenians, as well as some Italians and Hungarians, would seem to support the overall contention that Kurds and Armenians are the close relatives of modern Jews and that the majority of today&#039;s Jews have paternal ancestry from the northeastern Mediterranean region.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many Kurds have the &#8220;Jewish&#8221; Cohen Modal Haplotype</p>
<p>In the 1990s, a team of scientists (including the geneticist Michael Hammer, the nephrologist Karl Skorecki, and their colleagues in England) discovered the existence of a haplotype which they termed the &#8220;Cohen modal haplotype&#8221; (abbreviated as CMH). Cohen is the Hebrew word for &#8220;priest&#8221;, and designates descendants of Judean priests from two thousand years ago. Initial research indicated that while only about 3 percent of general Jews have this haplotype, 45 percent of Ashkenazic Cohens have it, while 56 percent of Sephardic Cohens have it. David Goldstein, an evolutionary geneticist at Oxford University, said: &#8220;It looks like this chromosomal type was a constituent of the ancestral Hebrew population.&#8221; Some Jewish rabbis used the Cohen study to argue that all Cohens with the CMH had descended from Aaron, a High Priest who lived about 3500 years ago, as the Torah claimed. Shortly after, it was determined that 53 percent of the Buba clan of the Lemba people of southern Africa have the CMH, compared to 9 percent of non-Buba Lembas. The Lembas claim descent from ancient Israelites, and they follow certain Jewish practices such as circumcision and refraining from eating pork, and for many geneticists and historians the genetic evidence seemed to verify their claim.</p>
<p>However, it soon became apparent that the CMH is not specific to Jews or descendants of Jews. In a 1998 article in Science News, Dr. Skorecki indicated (in an interview) that some non-Jews also possess the Cohen markers, and that the markers are therefore not &#8220;unique or special&#8221;.(((((( The CMH is very common among Iraqi Kurds, according to a 1999 study by C. Brinkmann et al.)))))))))) And in her 2001 article, Oppenheim wrote: &#8220;The dominant haplotype of the Muslim Kurds (haplotype 114) was only one microsatellite-mutation step apart from the CMH&#8230;&#8221; (Oppenheim 2001, page 1100). Furthermore, the CMH is also found among some Armenians, according to Dr. Levon Yepiskoposyan (Head of the Institute of Man in Yerevan, Armenia), who has studied genetics for many years. Dr. Avshalom Zoossmann-Diskin wrote: &#8220;The suggestion that the &#8216;Cohen modal haplotype&#8217; is a signature haplotype for the ancient Hebrew population is also not supported by data from other populations.&#8221; (Zoossmann-Diskin 2000, page 156).</p>
<p>In short, the CMH is a genetic marker from the northern Middle East which is not unique to Jews. However, its existence among many Kurds and Armenians, as well as some Italians and Hungarians, would seem to support the overall contention that Kurds and Armenians are the close relatives of modern Jews and that the majority of today&#8217;s Jews have paternal ancestry from the northeastern Mediterranean region.</p>
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		<title>By: husayn</title>
		<link>http://socyberty.com/subcultures/the-scythians/comment-page-2/#comment-743080</link>
		<dc:creator>husayn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 03:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iraqi Kurds In human genetics, Haplogroup J (previously known as HG9 or Eu9/Eu10) is a Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup.


In human genetics, Haplogroup J (previously known as HG9 or Eu9/Eu10) is a Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup. It is one of the major male lines of all living men. It is divided into two main branches referred to as J1 and J2.  wikipedia))))

 

The relationship of the five modal haplotypes that were found in the six populations is presented in figure 3. The most-frequent haplotype in all three Jewish groups (the CMH [haplotype 159 in the Appendix]) segregated on a Eu 10 background, together with the three modal haplotypes in Palestinians and Bedouin (haplotypes 144, 151, and 166).(((  The dominant haplotype of the Muslim Kurds (haplotype 114) was only one microsatellite-mutation step apart from the CMH and the modal haplotype of the Bedouin, but it belonged to haplogroup Eu 9. )))The three modal haplotypes in the Palestinians and Bedouin were entirely restricted to the two Arab populations. On the other hand, chromosomes with the modal haplotypes of the Jews and of the Muslim Kurds were observed in all the populations except the Bedouin. The three Jewish communities had many additional haplotypes in common with Muslim Kurds (table 3). They shared more haplotypes and chromosomes with Muslim Kurds than with either Palestinians or Bedouin.

 

 

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929707613251#sc2.1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iraqi Kurds In human genetics, Haplogroup J (previously known as HG9 or Eu9/Eu10) is a Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup.</p>
<p>In human genetics, Haplogroup J (previously known as HG9 or Eu9/Eu10) is a Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup. It is one of the major male lines of all living men. It is divided into two main branches referred to as J1 and J2.  wikipedia))))</p>
<p>The relationship of the five modal haplotypes that were found in the six populations is presented in figure 3. The most-frequent haplotype in all three Jewish groups (the CMH [haplotype 159 in the Appendix]) segregated on a Eu 10 background, together with the three modal haplotypes in Palestinians and Bedouin (haplotypes 144, 151, and 166).(((  The dominant haplotype of the Muslim Kurds (haplotype 114) was only one microsatellite-mutation step apart from the CMH and the modal haplotype of the Bedouin, but it belonged to haplogroup Eu 9. )))The three modal haplotypes in the Palestinians and Bedouin were entirely restricted to the two Arab populations. On the other hand, chromosomes with the modal haplotypes of the Jews and of the Muslim Kurds were observed in all the populations except the Bedouin. The three Jewish communities had many additional haplotypes in common with Muslim Kurds (table 3). They shared more haplotypes and chromosomes with Muslim Kurds than with either Palestinians or Bedouin.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929707613251#sc2.1." rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929707613251#sc2.1.</a></p>
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		<title>By: husayn</title>
		<link>http://socyberty.com/subcultures/the-scythians/comment-page-2/#comment-743078</link>
		<dc:creator>husayn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 03:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Y-DNA Haplogroups in Iraqi Kurdistan

 

(J2 - 28.4%   semitic)

R1b - 16.8%

I - 16.8%

R1a - 11.6%

(J1 - 11.6%  semitic)

E1b1b - 7.4%

G - 4.2%

T - 3.2</description>
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<p>(J2 &#8211; 28.4%   semitic)</p>
<p>R1b &#8211; 16.8%</p>
<p>I &#8211; 16.8%</p>
<p>R1a &#8211; 11.6%</p>
<p>(J1 &#8211; 11.6%  semitic)</p>
<p>E1b1b &#8211; 7.4%</p>
<p>G &#8211; 4.2%</p>
<p>T &#8211; 3.2</p>
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		<title>By: husayn</title>
		<link>http://socyberty.com/subcultures/the-scythians/comment-page-2/#comment-743076</link>
		<dc:creator>husayn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 03:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kurds are from medes
Nebuchadnezzar II was the eldest son, and successor, of Nabopolassar, who delivered Babylon from its dependence on Assyria and laid Nineveh in ruins. According to Berossus, some years before he became king of Babylon, ((((Nebuchadnezzar II married Amytis of Media, the daughter or granddaughter of Cyaxares, king of the Medes, and thus the Median and Babylonian dynasties were united.)))))) There are also conflicting accounts of Nitocris of Babylon either being his wife or daughter. Nabopolassar was intent on annexing the western provinces of Syria from Necho II (who was still hoping to restore Assyrian power), and to this end dispatched his son westward with a powerful army. In the ensuing Battle of Carchemish in 605 BC, the Egyptian army was defeated and driven back, and Syria and Phoenicia were brought under the control of Babylon. Nabopolassar died in August of that year, and Nebuchadnezzar returned to Babylon to ascend to the throne.

After the defeat of the Cimmerians and Scythians,(((( all of Nebuchadnezzar&#039;s expeditions were directed westwards, although the powerful Median empire lay to the north. Nebuchadnezzar&#039;s political marriage to Amytis of Media, the daughter of the Median king, had ensured peace between the two empires.))))))))))))))

 from wikipdeia

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kurds are from medes<br />
Nebuchadnezzar II was the eldest son, and successor, of Nabopolassar, who delivered Babylon from its dependence on Assyria and laid Nineveh in ruins. According to Berossus, some years before he became king of Babylon, ((((Nebuchadnezzar II married Amytis of Media, the daughter or granddaughter of Cyaxares, king of the Medes, and thus the Median and Babylonian dynasties were united.)))))) There are also conflicting accounts of Nitocris of Babylon either being his wife or daughter. Nabopolassar was intent on annexing the western provinces of Syria from Necho II (who was still hoping to restore Assyrian power), and to this end dispatched his son westward with a powerful army. In the ensuing Battle of Carchemish in 605 BC, the Egyptian army was defeated and driven back, and Syria and Phoenicia were brought under the control of Babylon. Nabopolassar died in August of that year, and Nebuchadnezzar returned to Babylon to ascend to the throne.</p>
<p>After the defeat of the Cimmerians and Scythians,(((( all of Nebuchadnezzar&#8217;s expeditions were directed westwards, although the powerful Median empire lay to the north. Nebuchadnezzar&#8217;s political marriage to Amytis of Media, the daughter of the Median king, had ensured peace between the two empires.))))))))))))))</p>
<p> from wikipdeia</p>
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		<title>By: Amir Timur</title>
		<link>http://socyberty.com/subcultures/the-scythians/comment-page-2/#comment-740490</link>
		<dc:creator>Amir Timur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 10:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stupids.You claim Scythians are Iranian but how can you prove it.They\&#039;re all Turk.

Yaşa Uzbek Scythian.Sav bol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stupids.You claim Scythians are Iranian but how can you prove it.They\&#8217;re all Turk.</p>
<p>Yaşa Uzbek Scythian.Sav bol</p>
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		<title>By: sandhu</title>
		<link>http://socyberty.com/subcultures/the-scythians/comment-page-2/#comment-497696</link>
		<dc:creator>sandhu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Mar 2011 09:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Husayn my friend , I guess you shud correct yourself you are pointing out scythians as north indian hindus and sikhs that&#039;s not true not all people from north india are related to scyths only high class rajputs and jatts.we are not discussing religion here we are looking at lineage decent and geneology, you might have seen some north indians in south india with jagged faces and hump on their noses but if u wanna see a real jatt sikh my mate come to the fields of punjab where the jatts decendents of scythians reside they are very friendly, hardworking,honest,humble and brave not like u said abt someone who was a arrogant sikh whom u might have met in south india.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Husayn my friend , I guess you shud correct yourself you are pointing out scythians as north indian hindus and sikhs that&#8217;s not true not all people from north india are related to scyths only high class rajputs and jatts.we are not discussing religion here we are looking at lineage decent and geneology, you might have seen some north indians in south india with jagged faces and hump on their noses but if u wanna see a real jatt sikh my mate come to the fields of punjab where the jatts decendents of scythians reside they are very friendly, hardworking,honest,humble and brave not like u said abt someone who was a arrogant sikh whom u might have met in south india.</p>
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		<title>By: Adi Gill</title>
		<link>http://socyberty.com/subcultures/the-scythians/comment-page-2/#comment-491858</link>
		<dc:creator>Adi Gill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2011 22:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>
I am a Gill from the father and raj put from the mother. I&#039;m 6 feet tall and my brothers are 6.4 and 6.3- Even our sisters are taller than average Indians.

We have long noses and lighter skin. I believe even after centuries gone by we still look different than other races in India and Pakistan.

My family appearance clearly distinguishes us from other local people. If we are not Scythian. Why do we look so different.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Gill from the father and raj put from the mother. I&#8217;m 6 feet tall and my brothers are 6.4 and 6.3- Even our sisters are taller than average Indians.</p>
<p>We have long noses and lighter skin. I believe even after centuries gone by we still look different than other races in India and Pakistan.</p>
<p>My family appearance clearly distinguishes us from other local people. If we are not Scythian. Why do we look so different.</p>
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		<title>By: husayn</title>
		<link>http://socyberty.com/subcultures/the-scythians/comment-page-2/#comment-461089</link>
		<dc:creator>husayn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mitochondrial DNA analysis on a 2500 year-old skeleton excavated from a Scythian kurgan at the Kizil site in the Altai Republic casts doubt on the theory of Pashtun descent from Scythians. Results showed the remains to be a member of haplogroup N1a.[72] This haplogroup is spread widely across Eurasia and northeast Africa in low frequencies but is not currently identified in Pashtuns. Precise matches to the Scythian skeleton are found in Yemen, Armenia, Egypt, Germany, and Estonia. Additionally:

    * Mitochondrial DNA extracted from two Scytho-Siberian skeletons (Altai Republic (Russia) dating back 2,500 years) show characteristics &quot;of mixed Euro-Mongoloid origin&quot;. (&quot;European&quot; in this context means Western Eurasian).[73] One of the individuals was found to carry the F2a maternal lineage, and the other the D lineage, both of which are characteristic of East Eurasian populations.[74]

    * Maternal genetic analysis (of Saka period male and female skeletal remains, Beral site Kazakhstan) determined an HV1 mitochondrial sequence in the male (most frequent in European populations) and the HV1 sequence of the female to be of an Asian origin. It was suggested that the female may have derived from either mtDNA X or D.[75]

    * Y-Chromosome DNA testing (ancient Scythian skeletons dated to the 5th century BCE, Sebÿstei site) exhibited the R1a1 haplogroup. A search in the YHRD database as well as the researching scientists&#039; own database revealed close matches were found for a haplotype found at high frequency in Altaians &amp; among eastern Europeans and Central Anatolia. Other haplotype matches closely matched types in Poland, Germany, Anatolia, Armenia, Nepal and India.[76]

From these and many other studies it is thus conclusive that genetic makeup of Scythians and Scythian hybrids does( not match Pasthun DNA._
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mitochondrial DNA analysis on a 2500 year-old skeleton excavated from a Scythian kurgan at the Kizil site in the Altai Republic casts doubt on the theory of Pashtun descent from Scythians. Results showed the remains to be a member of haplogroup N1a.[72] This haplogroup is spread widely across Eurasia and northeast Africa in low frequencies but is not currently identified in Pashtuns. Precise matches to the Scythian skeleton are found in Yemen, Armenia, Egypt, Germany, and Estonia. Additionally:</p>
<p>    * Mitochondrial DNA extracted from two Scytho-Siberian skeletons (Altai Republic (Russia) dating back 2,500 years) show characteristics &#8220;of mixed Euro-Mongoloid origin&#8221;. (&#8221;European&#8221; in this context means Western Eurasian).[73] One of the individuals was found to carry the F2a maternal lineage, and the other the D lineage, both of which are characteristic of East Eurasian populations.[74]</p>
<p>    * Maternal genetic analysis (of Saka period male and female skeletal remains, Beral site Kazakhstan) determined an HV1 mitochondrial sequence in the male (most frequent in European populations) and the HV1 sequence of the female to be of an Asian origin. It was suggested that the female may have derived from either mtDNA X or D.[75]</p>
<p>    * Y-Chromosome DNA testing (ancient Scythian skeletons dated to the 5th century BCE, Sebÿstei site) exhibited the R1a1 haplogroup. A search in the YHRD database as well as the researching scientists&#8217; own database revealed close matches were found for a haplotype found at high frequency in Altaians &amp; among eastern Europeans and Central Anatolia. Other haplotype matches closely matched types in Poland, Germany, Anatolia, Armenia, Nepal and India.[76]</p>
<p>From these and many other studies it is thus conclusive that genetic makeup of Scythians and Scythian hybrids does( not match Pasthun DNA._<br />
wikipedia</p>
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		<title>By: mullah omar</title>
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		<dc:creator>mullah omar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2010 03:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Saka Aryan 

Do you mean those ugly islamist terrorists (pashtun taliban) are direct descendant of Scythians??? . No man , pashtuns and all afghans are mixed peoples . you cannot call everyone who lives in afghanistan an afghan . afghanistan means afghan+uzbek+balouch+pashtun+tajik+turk+mongol and... 

Do not forget your people mixed with arabs too . just look at the mirror . after this Don&#039;t call those cave men direct descendants of Scythians! . those assholes are a disgrace to the human race . Scythians lived from north west of china to central europe not only in present afghanistan and I think you know what I mean!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Saka Aryan </p>
<p>Do you mean those ugly islamist terrorists (pashtun taliban) are direct descendant of Scythians??? . No man , pashtuns and all afghans are mixed peoples . you cannot call everyone who lives in afghanistan an afghan . afghanistan means afghan+uzbek+balouch+pashtun+tajik+turk+mongol and&#8230; </p>
<p>Do not forget your people mixed with arabs too . just look at the mirror . after this Don&#8217;t call those cave men direct descendants of Scythians! . those assholes are a disgrace to the human race . Scythians lived from north west of china to central europe not only in present afghanistan and I think you know what I mean!</p>
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		<title>By: Saka Aryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saka Aryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Nov 2010 18:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont jump into conclusion but Pashtuns are direct descendant of Sakas
Hilmand and Nimroz were called Sakastan which means land of sakas today its called Sistan.
They live up to their reputation as fierce fighters, have their pre islamic tribal codes, and the language is an Indo aryan language related to Avestan languages and its the closest language to OSSETIANS languages .
Saka in pashtu means blood brother and there is a tribe named Sakahzai.
Jatts and Ossetians are the other descendants that I am aware of.
It was so painful to read all those comments and yet no one mentioned Afghans.
Afghans are not Persians, they are various Aryan tribes.
Rostom who is now ironically national hero of Iran was a SAKA from southern Afghanistan.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont jump into conclusion but Pashtuns are direct descendant of Sakas<br />
Hilmand and Nimroz were called Sakastan which means land of sakas today its called Sistan.<br />
They live up to their reputation as fierce fighters, have their pre islamic tribal codes, and the language is an Indo aryan language related to Avestan languages and its the closest language to OSSETIANS languages .<br />
Saka in pashtu means blood brother and there is a tribe named Sakahzai.<br />
Jatts and Ossetians are the other descendants that I am aware of.<br />
It was so painful to read all those comments and yet no one mentioned Afghans.<br />
Afghans are not Persians, they are various Aryan tribes.<br />
Rostom who is now ironically national hero of Iran was a SAKA from southern Afghanistan.</p>
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